I had him!!! But he got away on a draw due to stalemate. Any help?

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I managed to get three queens, and I couldn't get him into checkmate. Instead, he manages to get the draw in a stalemate. This game took 59 turns. I had my blunders, but not as many as my dad there.
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Thats what you get for being greedy.  You shold have just mated him with your Queen and King

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haha truly dire chess all round!

 

by the way you had a 2 move forced checkmate as early as move 12, try to guess what it was?

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If that was a real game and you are not making that up all I can say is oh my god how did you blow that.  Your play from move 40 on was bizarre and foolish. You never should have let his King advance up the board. He had no hope of promoting his pawn.  Just bring your king down and mate him.  Don't screw around with the extra queens, you don't need them. If you don't know how to do a king and queen vs. lone king mate look it up, its a basic endgame skill every player should have at his disposal. 

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Yea, I know I completely blew it. I am really mad, and I guess its one of those situations where a king goes and tries to have too much power and ends up getting thrown overboard.

 

And how do I get the checkmate as soon as move 12? I can't believe I missed that...

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Fezzik wrote:

The best help is to learn from this. It's far better to mate quickly and be able to brag about how quickly and efficiently you won than how many queens you got without winning. (Or, how many moves you were able to make in a limited time.)

You should be furious with yourself. If you are, you will learn from this and you won't need help in the future. You'll be lethal.


Laughing

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ALL things considered, I give Black a small edge after move 39. Small.

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He wasn't so much lucky, as you had no skill Undecided

Challenge yourself to find good moves every time.  Getting 4 queens is incredibly lazy and will lead to more missed opportunities.

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MahnLoaf wrote:

 

And how do I get the checkmate as soon as move 12? I can't believe I missed that...


Instead of retreating your knight on move 12, you should have taken the h-pawn with your king. Follow it up with Qh2#. (The only way I can see for him to delay checkmate is Bxb7+. But you should be able to find an escape route for your king. )

Why did you retreat your knight back to h4? Oh well... hopefully you are learning some new techniques. Keep playing!

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Well, you can the us.

Your father said you would be grounded if you win, didn't him?

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besides the missed mate threats on moves 10 and 10 as well as pointessly getting three queens (if you ever get three queens again put him in check with every move)

You have missed a number of moves where you have been able to take your opponents pieces for free. 14 ... Nxf7. you also could have taken his free bishop during moves 17, 18 and 19. you were lucky your opponent missed it. Your last move should have been Qgc7# which is mate.

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I've seen kids - very new low level players - trying to get several queens. 

And I remember one guy who used to play with a small group of us who never would resign, and one time someone refused to just take the easy mate and kept stalling around, gradually moving pawns up to queen (and not doing that very fast, either.)  The goal there was just to show him that if he wanted to refuse to resign in a clearly lost position, they could just toy with him, stretch the game out, move a pawn now and then to avoid the 50 move rule, and have several queens before they bothered to kill him off.  Essentially, they were being a jerk because he was regularly a jerk.

Other than those examples, I can't think of any time I've ever seen anyone get 3 or more queens at a time.  By the time you have two queens (assuming there isn't an immediate recapture) then there tend to be a lot of pieces gone and you have a big advantage.  You don't need another queen,  you just need to do the mate.

One of the first mating patterns you should learn can be done with two rooks, rook and queen, etc.

With a queen/rook, you don't have to worry about running to the far side of the board like the two rooks has to do here.

On move 40, you moved to check him, and he naturally moved towards the middle of the board.  Easier would ahve been to push the G-pawn, which you can easily queen, and then you can mate in just a few moves very similar to what I showed with the rooks.

Similarly, a queen/king vs king endgame should be something every player should know.  This is one way, though there are others.

By move 40, his pawn can be ignored, since it can't get anywhere, and your queen has his king trapped on rows one and two.  Mate should be easy by bringing up one pawn to queen, or by bringing the king up to support the queen.

I'd suggest some basic end-game practice. 

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tonydal wrote:
Chessismaths wrote:

Your last move should have been Qgc7# which is mate.


Or Qgg6 or Qb7. lol  See?  3 queens is a ton of firepower.


lol i missed the other two but i was only looking for example 

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Yep, too many queens and the chance for stalemate increases.

You could have easily mated him with one.

Better luck next time.

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You're lucky you got the draw. If your flag fell, he wins due to having the lone pawn there.

LOL

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dawgface420 wrote:
MahnLoaf wrote:

 

And how do I get the checkmate as soon as move 12? I can't believe I missed that...


Instead of retreating your knight on move 12, you should have taken the h-pawn with your king.


Sounds like a bongcloud king to me!

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Thanks for the help guys, and I am new to the game. I wasn't thinking for that game. Kinda rushed my moves. 

 

That whole game was a blunder. :L