I need help with analysis please

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I had a game with black where I had a kind of hedgehog pawn structure.

But I could not find a good pawn break.

Can anyone tell me what I should have done at move 16? Because i can not find a solid move myself.

When i postpone the pawnbreak I get too cramped...

WBillH

Your pieces are all gathered over on the queenside.  Why did you decide to open up the the f file?  You've moved your rook off there, and white still has his rook there.

 

I'm not sure the Be7-d8-c7 moves was really worthwhile.  If anything, it blocked in your rook more. 

I may have considered a queenside castle.  Looks well protected.  If you're going to castle kingside, then perhaps starting somewhere around move 12, advance the queenside pawns?  Or after 12. Rac8, open up the c file with with c4?

 

 

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thanks for the advice, I opened the f file to try to open up the black long diagonal for a possible attack, but it never had enough power... i guess you are right and the c4 move would have made more Sense.

NathanDrake12345

Advance your pawns!

melenda2

Interesting game.... My idea is if you fight for the centre in the start you can get a solid structure. Perhaps an early d5

drmrboss

1. You better start playing 5. ....b5 instead of b6 as white plan is clearly king side push

2.11.....O-O-O is a dangerous move where you intentionally send your king to a known pawn storm ( king is safer in the center instead and start playing your advantage side.

3. And pawn push like 16....e5 or 16..d5 will simply make your position worse. I will consider 16... Nd7 instead with the idea of Nde5 outpost when they push f5. And  defend knight from safe square like Nf8 if they attack h7 pawn with Q+N

4. General advice is " always play in the direction of pawn storm" . As your pawn storm is in Queen side, open the files on Queen side or centre ASAP. Fighting on king side is like " your are fighting underneath the hills".

drmrboss

And honestly,  you are asking advice from the position at move 16. in which you technically misplayed opening badly. 

If I have to play from black from this position with same rated opponent, I will get 30-35% scores only.

Worst mistake in 15 moves of your opening is early 11...O-O-O unnecessarily. 

slippy_sam

To me your game looks very passive, it almost seems like your so afraid of making a mistake, that you just shuffle around without making any decisive decisions.

d5 on move 16 was okay, but Bc7 on move 18 doesn't make any sense, instead something like d4 and your probably just fine.

(To open up the d4 idea, if white takes, you play Kb4! and now white has to be become passive with Rd1..)

NathanDrake12345
slippy_sam wrote:

To me your game looks very passive, it almost seems like your so afraid of making a mistake, that you just shuffle around without making any decisive decisions.

d5 on move 16 was okay, but Bc7 on move 18 doesn't make any sense, instead something like d4 and your probably just fine.

(To open up the d4 idea, if white takes, you play Kb4! and now white has to be become passive with Rd1..)

 

I don't know the context of the 3 sentences, as they look written by other people.  But is the whole collective post needed to be said to the person here at this time?

 

Why do you attack a person and then after try to coach them with something?  You assume that anybody wants your view after that?  Personally, I think you're teaching him to play more like a bully than an actual King would.  That tends to result in being a Pawn for life.

nTzT

What's the point of 3...a6? His bishop is blocked by his pawns and he doesn't have a knight developed even. Don't memorise openings without knowing the purpose of the moves.

You could have simply played ...d5 here.

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slippy_sam
NathanDrake12345 kirjoitti:
slippy_sam wrote:

To me your game looks very passive, it almost seems like your so afraid of making a mistake, that you just shuffle around without making any decisive decisions.

d5 on move 16 was okay, but Bc7 on move 18 doesn't make any sense, instead something like d4 and your probably just fine.

(To open up the d4 idea, if white takes, you play Kb4! and now white has to be become passive with Rd1..)

 

I don't know the context of the 3 sentences, as they look written by other people.  But is the whole collective post needed to be said to the person here at this time?

 

Why do you attack a person and then after try to coach them with something?  You assume that anybody wants your view after that?  Personally, I think you're teaching him to play more like a bully than an actual King would.  That tends to result in being a Pawn for life.

The context is the game posted. Sorry if my comment seemed harsh to you, I might have to reconsider my phrasing. 

Even then I don't quite know what you mean by "they look like they are written by other people"? and I like metaphors, but I think that "pawn for life" thing went over my head..

nTzT

Slippy_sam to me your comment looks fine. 

NathanDrake12345

That is not what I said...

slippy_sam
NathanDrake12345 kirjoitti:

That is not what I said...

If you mean the quote, that was just me fixing your broken english, or if I misunderstoon something can you clarify?

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No offence taken with any of the posts, it was all helpfull comment. thanks guys

Rat1960

3. ... a6, why play 3. ... d5 fight center space.
10. h3 what. 10. f5

12. c3 ...
So far both players are afraid of their own shadows.
Before moving either rook where are the open or half-open files.
Here I would look at 12. ... c4 13. dxc (say) Nxe4
So 12. ... c4 13. Nf3-d4 NxN (14. BxNd4 ?! e5) 14. c3xNd4 b5 15. Rc1 Qa5
Where [e4/a2] are being attack with B&N and now you know ... Rac8 is coming.

14. b3 ...
Well that ends ... c4. This means you now want to push [f5]
Note Bb7 helps attack [e4] and see white has Ne2 over Nc3
The move is therefore ... Nd7, might have a [...d5]

15. ... Bd8, silly cuts rooks off from each other.
Take the space 15. ... b5

16. ... d5, sure. The move is fine

18. ... Bc7, kidding right? go with ... f6 (don't always listen to Finegold)
Oh just seen 18. ... d4 19. cxd Nb4 (see d3 and a2)
18. ... d4 19. Bd2 d4xc3

19. d4, clown 19. Qh4
19. ... f6, here 19. ... cxd 20. NxN Ne7

20. ... f6xe5 ??
21. f4xe5 ...
Now look at the position, black king is piece naked.
It is over.

Moves 12. and 18. are your problem, though to be fair it took me over 5 minutes to find 18. ... d4!

NathanDrake12345
slippy_sam wrote:
NathanDrake12345 kirjoitti:

That is not what I said...

If you mean the quote, that was just me fixing your broken english, or if I misunderstoon something can you clarify?

 

Weird, I thought I unfollowed this thread.  Anything you say here can be used against you, always be careful what you put out in writing.

 

Glad to know you're  my professional fixer, and the two or 3 other people here agree with you.  You are twisting words, and I feel I can't really get my voice in too well.

Cheers to you, o' serpentine fellow.