is there a better continuation to this??

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TKisDApoop

i played black in this game and

the game was just basic play until we started fighting over my middle pawn.. then it became VERY interesting.. im not sure it i played it best tho... could black have gotten mate  and is this the best continuation?

KevZho
tkisdapoop wrote:

i played black in this gatarted fighting over my middle pawn.. then it became VERY interesting.. im not sure it i played it best tho... could black have gotten mate  and is this the best continuation?


 You can only draw in this game; Na2+, Nc3+,  Na2+...


Loomis

14. ... Nxd4? If you had played 14. ... Qxd4 you would have just been a piece ahead.

At move 17 you have 17. ... Qf5 threatening both Qxh3 and Nxe1. This wins you at least a pawn and probably flushes the king to the center and you could get active rooks very quickly. 


crikey

At first glance, I'd say:

17...Qh5 looks strong to me.

Qxh3+ is obviously threatened, and the R cant go to e3 because of Nh2+. If 18. Kg2, Nxe1+ wins the exchange

Also, 18...N away (say to h4) also looks better than allowing the Q exchange. The threat of Qh1+ is then a potential concern for W, especially as you can combine this with developing your Rs onto the e and d files with tempo against the W Queen.


LydiaBlonde
Loomis said two your mistakes which I noticed too.
thepitbull
I didn't like 14...Nxd4.  I would prefer 14... Qxd4.  This would have won a piece for you, and if 15.  Qxd4 then Nxd4 threatening Nxc2.  I also think 17... Qc4+ is slightly better.  17... Qc4+ should lead you to a material advantage at least.
Loomis
I don't see how black gets a material advantage after 17. ... Qc4+ 18. Qe2
pawn64
17. ... Nd2+ gives you at least a draw. (white cannot take the N in vieuw of Qh1+ wich loses the queen).
Loomis

I don't see how black wins the queen after 17. ... Nd2+ 18. Bxd2  Qh1+ 19. Ke2. There are no open lines to the queen and black's own queen is already attacked.

 

The first post in this thread was trying to point out a draw at move 17 that goes 17. ... Nh2+ 18. Kg1 Nf3+. But a draw would make white's day in this position.


pawn64
true, looked with a first glance and overlooked Be3 after Rf- e8.
crikey

yeah, i still like 17...Qh5 or ...Qf5.

eg 17...Qh5 18. Re3 Qxh3+ 19. Ke2 R(f)e8 is killing

Otherwise, the option with 18.Kg2 loses at least the exchange for White, and the K remains insecure