Is this a draw?
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Yes this is a draw
Apr 23, 2008
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#3
no, you can still promote the pawn, just work it up slowly with the king.
Apr 23, 2008
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#4
The position is a draw. Black is still capable of losing. If Black does lose, he should not continue to lose every time he gets into this position. Books on the endgame show how to draw every time.
STOMPU wrote: Yes this is a draw
move 64 Kd8 is a draw for white.
GreenLaser wrote: The position is a draw. Black is still capable of losing. If Black does lose, he should not continue to lose every time he gets into this position. Books on the endgame show how to draw every time.
I take it you mean from the starting position? That's where i'm at now. Thanks for clearing this up.
Apr 23, 2008
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#7
rgallagher wrote: no, you can still promote the pawn, just work it up slowly with the king.
Perhaps if he had played a little bit more efficiently near the end; however the final result is a stalemate.
The winning king has to be one rank ahead with the opposition in order to promote without stalemate. Your above PGN diagram shows why.
Apr 23, 2008
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#9
This is not a stalemate. On move 64 black is required to move to e7. It would be a draw if whites king was on d6.
Apr 23, 2008
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#10
Yes, I meant the starting position. Black could still lose with move such as 62...Kc8 or 63...Ke8. The first is possible for someone playing the position for the first time. The second is a less plausible error.
Apr 23, 2008
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#11
chriswa84 wrote: SDET wrote: chriswa84 wrote: This is not a stalemate. On move 64 black is required to move to e7. It would be a draw if whites king was on d6. This is a drawn game from the starting position of move 60.
How is this a draw?On move 60 black can move to c7 (which he does) among various other spaces. Unless there was threefold repetition or some other reason for a draw, white can promote his pawn and checkmate with a queen and king. There is no possibility for black to win but since when has this been considered a draw? Since there IS NO STALEMATE. I do not possibly see how this is a draw. Maybe someone could enlighten me. I was wrong on my first post because it is white to move at 65. 65. Kc7...Ke7 66.d8+ and game continues.
SORRY.....White cannot move 65.Kc7 therefore the game would end in a stalemate (unless black did not take the free passed pawn) at 65.Kd6 or 65...Kxd7. But i still do not see how it was a draw prior to this.
Apr 27, 2008
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#12
its a draw because only way to save pawn is 65.Kd6 and thats stalemate. other move and black king will take out pawn and thats draw too
It IS against the rules to ask for comments/help on a game in progress, shame on all of you ! I am assigning all of you KP for one month! 
it#s funny that there is so much discussion . The position is a draw , no matter who moves. Those of you who didn't know, I urge to read (for the first time in their life) an elementary book on endgames. I promise you will increase your rating by 200 points immediately...
mandelshtam
mandelshtam wrote:
it#s funny that there is so much discussion . The position is a draw , no matter who moves. Those of you who didn't know, I urge to read (for the first time in their life) an elementary book on endgames. I promise you will increase your rating by 200 points immediately...
mandelshtam
No, I will not. I never play endgames.
nice joke. the percentage of points to reach a masterlevel is usually estimated by
50 % due to good endgame handling
30% due to good middlegame handling
20 percent due to good opening handling.
(these percentages, of course , shift to the last ones, when you fight for a IM or even GM title).
Mandelshtam
I'm with Mandelshtam here. Studying endgames will also improve more than just your endgame play. My midgame play got alot better when I started studying endgames (wich I'm still doing).
I'm studying way too mutch for my future already, don't feel like doing more for a hobby of mine aswell so I just hope it'll get better with instinctive moves..
The only way king and pawn versus king ends in a win for the king and pawn is if the king retains command over the square immediately in front of the pawn at all times. White does not have that command at any time in this game, therefore cannot win.
I'm playing a match and I think it's a draw... It's black to move. I don't see how I can win this. I problably messed this up, unfortunately.