Should I Have Resigned

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My friend and I played a few games, the first of which ended in a draw, where my friend was mad at me for not resigning. Simply put, I foresaw a draw and declined when he asked if I was going to resign, saying I think it was a draw. Throughout the remaining four games he was insistent I should've resigned, but I feel that it was a position where I could draw, which is why I did not resign.

Am I in the wrong for not resigning?

 

Edit: Apologies for not posting the game, I do not use this site often and did not know how to do so. I also shortened the description.

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Any good player would have mated you easily. Your opponent missed 56. Qh1# and other mate moves.

I have no problem with a player not resigning. At your level it is up to the winning side to prove he can mate you.

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My friend and I started playing chess last March, and generally agree to play games to the end to get practice with endgames and clock management.
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If you have to ask the question, the answer is "no".  This is a basic checkmate, and your friend needs to know it well enough not to stalemate you whenever it comes up.  Playing this game out will ultimately make your friend a better player for it.  He might have been upset, but after he thinks about it, he'll be upset with himself rather than with you.

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So it ended in a draw and your friend told you later that you should have resigned?? No comments...

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The fact that he didn't know how to checkmate you confirms that you were right not to resign. happy.png

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In my mind, it is polite to resign when you know that barring a mouseslip or something from your opponent, they have a clear path to victory with nothing much you can do to counter it. In this case, your opponent didn't have a clear path because they didn't know how to mate with a queen. You were right to not resign and in the future you will both know the correct way to finish the mate

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Never give up, never surrender. Especially if you’re a learner
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Pulpofeira wrote:

So it ended in a draw and your friend told you later that you should have resigned?? No comments...

It was somewhere around move 35-38 that he asked me to resign. I mentioned I was about to offer a draw actually but he said he had won so I should've resigned. I then played it out and we stalemated.

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nklristic wrote:

The fact that he didn't know how to checkmate you confirms that you were right not to resign.

This is essentially what I tried to tell him, but he had said it was an easy win for him so I should've resigned, but I told him that the fact that he wasn't able to mate was why I played it out. He then complained that it only stalemated because we were low on time (I had about 10s and he had about 0.5s at the time of stalemate) and that I was being a d*ck for trying to run out the clock, which wasn't my intention.

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I predict many bitter moments during his chess career, unless he's able to change such mindset.

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I normally resign when I lose material with no compensation whatsoever, or I enter a bad position for which it's obvious (to me) I won't be able to escape from. 

A long time ago I knew a guy who had been short of getting IM norms, and he told me I dont gain anything by prolonging an obviously lost match.

I'm also not playing for anything here - it's no competitive, Im not playing for real ELO points or money - so if I make a mistake I just move on rather than waste 2 ppl's time.

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xor_eax wrote:

I normally resign when I lose material with no compensation whatsoever, or I enter a bad position for which it's obvious (to me) I won't be able to escape from. 

A long time ago I knew a guy who had been short of getting IM norms, and he told me I dont gain anything by prolonging an obviously lost match.

I'm also not playing for anything here - it's no competitive, Im not playing for real ELO points or money - so if I make a mistake I just move on rather than waste 2 ppl's time.

I can understand that, personally I play to try and learn (since I don't play often but still enjoy chess whenever I have the time) and used it as an opportunity to see if I could draw the game, especially since we were just killing time while waiting on someone else. But I do understand why he was frustrated, I was just of the mindset that playing to a draw was fine for the learning experience, and that was why I asked about it.

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Waygorn wrote:
nklristic wrote:

The fact that he didn't know how to checkmate you confirms that you were right not to resign.

This is essentially what I tried to tell him, but he had said it was an easy win for him so I should've resigned, but I told him that the fact that he wasn't able to mate was why I played it out. He then complained that it only stalemated because we were low on time (I had about 10s and he had about 0.5s at the time of stalemate) and that I was being a d*ck for trying to run out the clock, which wasn't my intention.

If he was low on time, he should play different time control. 10 minutes per side is too short anyway if he wants  to improve. And he should learn how to checkmate with a queen, if he doesn't know how. Frustration in this case is a human reaction, but the point stands - you have the right to resign or not to resign, nobody can nor should force you to do so.

Playing out lost positions as a beginner is not such a bad idea, as you train your creativity. With a mindset like : "I didn't win because my opponent didn't resign " nobody can improve. He might have won if the game was longer, that is valid, but that is why 10 minute games and shorter are not that instructive for weaker players.

If I were him, I would brush up on basic checkmate patterns and I would try and play longer games because shorter games might give everyone some grief (they are probably too short for someone like me as well).

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at your level, no, you should not

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nklristic wrote:
Waygorn wrote:
nklristic wrote:

The fact that he didn't know how to checkmate you confirms that you were right not to resign.

This is essentially what I tried to tell him, but he had said it was an easy win for him so I should've resigned, but I told him that the fact that he wasn't able to mate was why I played it out. He then complained that it only stalemated because we were low on time (I had about 10s and he had about 0.5s at the time of stalemate) and that I was being a d*ck for trying to run out the clock, which wasn't my intention.

If he was low on time, he should play different time control. 10 minutes per side is too short anyway if he wants  to improve. And he should learn how to checkmate with a queen, if he doesn't know how. Frustration in this case is a human reaction, but the point stands - you have the right to resign or not to resign, nobody can nor should force you to do so.

Playing out lost positions as a beginner is not such a bad idea, as you train your creativity. With a mindset like : "I didn't win because my opponent didn't resign " nobody can improve. He might have won if the game was longer, that is valid, but that is why 10 minute games and shorter are not that instructive for weaker players.

If I were him, I would brush up on basic checkmate patterns and I would try and play longer games because shorter games might give everyone some grief (they are probably too short for someone like me as well).

We agreed about the time constraints and changed the games to 30minutes each afterwards, which somehow ended up with shorter games, but he was definitely still upset about the draw from the first game.

Thank you.

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I'm reminded of two young kids playing out a K+Q vs K position which eventually ended up with a 50-move-rule draw after interminable queen checks.  The player with the K+Q did learn from that experience and the next game with K+Q vs the opponent's lone K, the player simply offered a draw and ended the game immediately.

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JelloGrinch wrote:

Why am I constantly getting updates on this thread? I didn't post on here and I have already unfollowed it.

I apologize if you are getting unwanted notifications, I would think that unfollowing would be sufficient, but I do distinctly remember that you were the one who advised me to shorten my explanation of the question and simply post the game. Although, the post you made has since been removed.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

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Your opponent blundered an easy win, that's their fault, not yours. 

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jetoba wrote:

I'm reminded of two young kids playing out a K+Q vs K position which eventually ended up with a 50-move-rule draw after interminable queen checks.  The player with the K+Q did learn from that experience and the next game with K+Q vs the opponent's lone K, the player simply offered a draw and ended the game immediately.

 Hahaha that is great