Were we right to draw?



Clavius> My computer played this position against itself and after 30 moves by each side the position had hardly changed.
Computers aren't particularly good at endgames. That's why we feed them tablebases--so they can play the most common ones like God. In non-tablebase positions (like this) their technique is often lacking. It looks like a draw, but if Fritz can err and miss the draw (2...a5=, for example), so can class players, so White should have played on a bit.
Were those the best moves for black?? I thought black looked better.
Oh wait, white has a passed pawn on f5. White could be better because of that.

if the black king goes toward the C5 pawn what is stoping the F5 pawn?

if the black king goes toward the C5 pawn what is stoping the F5 pawn?
I agree. The F5 would be well on its way. It's fair to draw here, but I think I would have played a few more moves.....

White has to play owning a, b and c files!!! the black rook only can follow
you were luck he agreed :P



silentfilmstar13> He should have tried to trade rooks on b4 after Kd2 and Kc3. You'd be pretty well screwed after that.
The antidote to 1.Kd2 is 1...Ra4!

White has to play owning a, b and c files!!! the black rook only can follow
you were luck he agreed :P
I can't see how white 'owned' the a,b,c files. My intention would have been to set up a pawn block formation on those files.

We had already played a few moves prior to this and got nowhere! We looked forward to a new beginning !
I would not accept a draw at this point. Playing your pawns with King support can be tricky and quite elusive.
That said, the only way to progress the game is to push the issue at some point. You can't simply play your pieces as if on a carousel. Confrontation and/or tradeoffs is necessary...

silentfilmstar13> He should have tried to trade rooks on b4 after Kd2 and Kc3. You'd be pretty well screwed after that.
The antidote to 1.Kd2 is 1...Ra4!
I was thinking Rb1 first. It seems to negate the threat of ...Ra4 while preparing to offer the trade on b4.

This is interesting... thanks for all the comments, everybody. difficult without the rest of the game there, but I remember feeling that I had won the extra pawn with some luck, but in this situation, against a better player, he seemed to inexorably anticipate all of my little gambits, and I felt lucky to draw!
That said, for the sake of interest, I agree it would have been better to have played on a few moves... see what mistakes I could make etc etc...

This is interesting... thanks for all the comments, everybody. difficult without the rest of the game there, but I remember feeling that I had won the extra pawn with some luck, but in this situation, against a better player, he seemed to inexorably anticipate all of my little gambits, and I felt lucky to draw!
That said, for the sake of interest, I agree it would have been better to have played on a few moves... see what mistakes I could make etc etc...
Thank you for your kind words. Mistakes can lead to unlikely endgame scenarios, it is true. In the interests of perfection, I believe we were right to stop where we did. Although I think a reasonable case has been made for continuing a little further. Next time this crops up we'll allow for that little spark of error !
I have a lot of difficulty deciding whether the position is drawn or not especially when there is still a lot of material on the board. In this game, my opponent was a pawn ahead, but neither of us could see a way forwards, so we agreed to draw. Were we right, or could one of us have won? Or was it still to early to tell.
I'd be interested to hear your comments.