im waiting for IM pfren (the final boss) to comment on this ..lmao
Would You Castle or Play Kd7 Here?

@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
try dutch ..u will get bad positions out of no where... i mean its a good weapon with ur alekhine s defense
dutch defense is my secondary weapon against d4. I'm more of a leningrad flak gun kinda guy

@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
rewind to a year or so ago whenever I played the KID you would say "ewuu kid player" in the chat
I do not remember.
no sir, I am absolutely positive you said that.
I do not remember. You have no proof. Therefore it never happened.

im waiting for IM pfren (the final boss) to comment on this ..lmao
They will either ignore this comment and act as if they have better things to do than roam the chess.com forums, or they will comment THIS comment and then give some blunt opinion on either this discussion has no meaning and engines can't handle these types of positions or some blunt roasting of my ...O-O move (even though I agree ...Kd7 is a bit easier).
I guess any outcome will prove interesting xD
@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
try dutch ..u will get bad positions out of no where... i mean its a good weapon with ur alekhine s defense
dutch defense is my secondary weapon against d4. I'm more of a leningrad flak gun kinda guy
why people dont appreciate classical dutch much ? i mean is it because of alot of theory or something ? also people s go to choice is stonewall since its easy to play by hand

@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
rewind to a year or so ago whenever I played the KID you would say "ewuu kid player" in the chat
I do not remember.
no sir, I am absolutely positive you said that.
I do not remember. You have no proof. Therefore it never happened.
IT HAPPENED DONT TRY TO MAKE MY BELIEVE IM SEEING GHOSTS

@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
try dutch ..u will get bad positions out of no where... i mean its a good weapon with ur alekhine s defense
dutch defense is my secondary weapon against d4. I'm more of a leningrad flak gun kinda guy
why people dont appreciate classical dutch much ? i mean is it because of alot of theory or something ? also people s go to choice is stonewall since its easy to play by hand
I think everyone plays the classical nowadays. Can't get enough chad leningrad people

@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
rewind to a year or so ago whenever I played the KID you would say "ewuu kid player" in the chat
I do not remember.
no sir, I am absolutely positive you said that.
I do not remember. You have no proof. Therefore it never happened.
IT HAPPENED DONT TRY TO MAKE MY BELIEVE IM SEEING GHOSTS
I don't remember. You can't confirm. It never happened.

@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
rewind to a year or so ago whenever I played the KID you would say "ewuu kid player" in the chat
I do not remember.
no sir, I am absolutely positive you said that.
I do not remember. You have no proof. Therefore it never happened.
IT HAPPENED DONT TRY TO MAKE MY BELIEVE IM SEEING GHOSTS
I don't remember. You can't confirm. It never happened.
No but it did

I got a brilliant move for castling in this one. I haven't played in several days. I almost lost on time. had less than 2 seconds on my clock when I checkmated him.

KD7 to stop RC7, keep my king closer to the center and if anything I probably would end up wanting my king to keep closer to his queen pawns since I'd think they'd be annoying to protect and last I can always own the only open file. Don't let him get anything, once he goes RC7 even if he doesn't win a pawn you'll have to start playing passive moves and give him activity he doesn't need

I would definitely play Kd7 since its an endgame and I want my king active, also to stop him from getting the 7th rank but I'm also 1100 rapid =) So that may be wrong.

I'd personally play Kd7 there. As a caro kahn player, I've had that position probably a couple of dozen times. If there was a queen or a pair of bishops on the board I'd maybe reconsider but seeing as there is no way for white to immediately double rooks down the open file, the king disallows any infiltration and is in no way in any danger. Plus, since you're nearing the end game it's just good to have the king more centralized.
I also don't personally think it's a playstyle thing. Objectively, castling here is worse simply because it doesn't make your king any safer and it does in fact allow infiltration and a loss of a tempo trying to defend a pawn you could've defended with your king in one move. Yes, black is winning either way, however, why allow any counterplay whatsoever? So you could play that way, but intuitively, I'd think most high-rated players don't play that way because its like trying to disturb a sleeping dragon. One allowance of counterplay can lead to more and thats just...uge. I want to completley sap my opponent out of as much counterplay as possible to get a quicker resgination.
But thats me.
... Kd7. Prevent Rc7.
Now if there were 2 white knights and a bishop where they could harass your king, I'd castle. Kings should only come out when there are very few pieces. 2 enemy knights is not few enough in my experience. I lost many pawns coming out early.
This position looks tame.
@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
try dutch ..u will get bad positions out of no where... i mean its a good weapon with ur alekhine s defense
dutch defense is my secondary weapon against d4. I'm more of a leningrad flak gun kinda guy
why people dont appreciate classical dutch much ? i mean is it because of alot of theory or something ? also people s go to choice is stonewall since its easy to play by hand
I think everyone plays the classical nowadays. Can't get enough chad leningrad people
simon williams OP
@gump the problem with white doubling on the c file is that black can just play Nc6
yeah I mean but b7 is weak its much more unpleasnt than it has to be just kd7 and rac8 its curtains.
I wouldn't say it is unpleasant if white can't even win material. Maybe I just think differently, since I'm used to playing with space disadvantages. But there's nothing white can do. Black plays Na6, brings his king back to d7 (lol) and plays Rc8.
Sure, it's a lot of extra hassle, but white doesn't win material, and its just a few automatic moves anyways.
u love to make ur life difficult ..dont u ( says the guy who plays the dutch ;D)
you play the dutch i play the kings indian
try dutch ..u will get bad positions out of no where... i mean its a good weapon with ur alekhine s defense
dutch defense is my secondary weapon against d4. I'm more of a leningrad flak gun kinda guy
why people dont appreciate classical dutch much ? i mean is it because of alot of theory or something ? also people s go to choice is stonewall since its easy to play by hand
I think everyone plays the classical nowadays. Can't get enough chad leningrad people
but simon reccomends a mixture of classical and leningrad against the london
or at least something along the lines of that but there was definitely ewuu or something for sure...