When stockfish sees it as a mistake

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Martin_Stahl
CitadelTrill wrote:

but you had good reason.

 

Bishop b3 is a mistake, but It helped with the checkmate sequence.

 

He resigns before it can play out.

 

14. Bb3 is a problem because it allows Nd3+ winning your queen with no compensation and white is completely lost.

CitadelTrill

You're right! I know better next time 

CitadelTrill

Good example of playing your opponent and not the game lmao

magipi

When you saw that Stockfish called your Bb3 as a blunder, did it not occur to you to check out why? What is the point of even running engine analysis if you just do nothing with it?

CitadelTrill

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself I'll never see what mistakes a human will make to develop tricks. I play bullet and blitz so it's easy to miss especially when you're on to the next game. 

Martin_Stahl
CitadelTrill wrote:

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself I'll never see what mistakes a human will make to develop tricks. I play bullet and blitz so it's easy to miss especially when you're on to the next game. 

 

The idea would be to see that the engine dislikes the move and use that pointer to calculate options for your opponent and see if you can find out why. 

 

If you don't find the idea after a while, or find something but are unsure, then check the engine lines to see if that makes it clear.

CitadelTrill

Yeah. Im just chasing back all of the forum hyenas ready to pounce on my mistake. Your comments are helpful and insightful, though. 

magipi
CitadelTrill wrote:

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself

... that would be cheating.

Obviously, I meant "after the game".

exceptionalfork
magipi wrote:
CitadelTrill wrote:

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself

... that would be cheating.

Obviously, I meant "after the game".

I don't understand why you just ignored the rest of what he said. If you had read the rest you'd see he wasn't talking about cheating.

magipi
exceptionalfork wrote:
magipi wrote:
CitadelTrill wrote:

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself

... that would be cheating.

Obviously, I meant "after the game".

I don't understand why you just ignored the rest of what he said. If you had read the rest you'd see he wasn't talking about cheating.

I read the rest and I did not see what you see. Now I read it again and I still do not see it. Actually, now I am confused.

exceptionalfork
magipi wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:
magipi wrote:
CitadelTrill wrote:

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself

... that would be cheating.

Obviously, I meant "after the game".

I don't understand why you just ignored the rest of what he said. If you had read the rest you'd see he wasn't talking about cheating.

I read the rest and I did not see what you see. Now I read it again and I still do not see it. Actually, now I am confused.

So you read that... and you actually think he's talking about cheating?

magipi
exceptionalfork wrote:
magipi wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:
magipi wrote:
CitadelTrill wrote:

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself

... that would be cheating.

Obviously, I meant "after the game".

I don't understand why you just ignored the rest of what he said. If you had read the rest you'd see he wasn't talking about cheating.

I read the rest and I did not see what you see. Now I read it again and I still do not see it. Actually, now I am confused.

So you read that... and you actually think he's talking about cheating?

I don't know how else to interpret "confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself". But obviously you have another interpretation. I haven't got the faintest of what that might be.

exceptionalfork
magipi wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:
magipi wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:
magipi wrote:
CitadelTrill wrote:

If I confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself

... that would be cheating.

Obviously, I meant "after the game".

I don't understand why you just ignored the rest of what he said. If you had read the rest you'd see he wasn't talking about cheating.

I read the rest and I did not see what you see. Now I read it again and I still do not see it. Actually, now I am confused.

So you read that... and you actually think he's talking about cheating?

I don't know how else to interpret "confer with the engine every single time instead of playing it out myself". But obviously you have another interpretation. I haven't got the faintest of what that might be.

So you're ignoring the rest again.

@CitadelTrill can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's talking about playing it out himself after the game. Not during.

 

CitadelTrill

Yeah I'm just saying sometimes I make moves that are terrible moves, for obvious reasons to the engine, but in the moment I can see what my opponent is doing and paying attention to. Blitz tricks like this work maybe 90% of the time at my level

It looks so stupid but I promise you when they see the fried liver fork they try to stop it with the bishop, and then the pony trick begins. If you look up the position in my database I pull it off constantly. It's a cheap trick, it really only works in bullet and blitz and maybe at my level, but that's how alot of chess tricks work I think. And I don't think id ever figure it out if I was asking an engine. 

 

So I'm not saying I shouldn't check the engine to see why it's a blunder, I am noting that I am playing a human . Not a machine. We both made major human errors. Mine led to a check mate.