A Bishop is stronger then a Knight !

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gambiteer12

The relative value of minor pieces cannot be generalised, even in endgames. There are many examples were a completely drawn endgame would be winning if you could simply replace your bishop with a knight, or where two knights would form an adequate fortress against a Q and bishops would have no such resource etc.    

Defence4Gizchehs
vengence69 wrote:

Here are some facts to consider when comparing the B to the N.

To some players and writers, at the start of the game, Knights tend to be stronger than Bishops until the central pawns are removed, then the Bishops will become more powerful. In open games, the side with the Bishops pair tends to enjoy an advantage while in closed games it would be the side with the 2 Knights or with a Knight and either active or good Bishop. A Knight in all reality can reach all 64 squares on the board as a single unit. however, the Bishops must both be on the board to be effective in reaching all 64 squares. Knights need support points (i.e. pawns) and Bishops need access to diagonals (the longer the better). If a Bishop can be relegated to being a defensive piece or limited to one diagonal he controls, then the knight will hold superior.

To demonstrate, this is a position I reached Friday against a friend. I will lightly annotate the position.

 

sometimes the Knight can be stronger.

yea, a rule to consider when playing shuffle/Chess960 Chess against an Engine: KNIGHTS OUT FIRST!! ( you may want to waste a pawn Tempo without developing the Bishop's, nor Queen's diagonal in return for no Dark or Light Squared weakness(es) close to your Knights. )

Always find a way to Develope Knights first.

'' Make Moves with the least Commitment/Prepatorial need, first, without hindering your Plan to Develope the so called ' Difficult Bishop ' ''.

 

Defence4Gizchehs
Sred wrote:
Defence4Gizchehs wrote:
GreenField85 wrote:

I tend to believe it depends on position.

And when there is no Position, such as in the first two Diagrams, the Bishop is by Objectivity Stronger than the Knight.

Great statement: when you aren't playing chess, the bishop is stronger than the knight.

From that Perspective, I am CheckMated.

AndyClifton

Yes:  a bishop is stronger, then a knight. Smile

waffllemaster
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That awkward moment when you realize you're not the first chess player to consider the relative value of the pieces.

ponz111

I once participated in a Christian discussion group and one time confessed that I had a hidden thing I was ashamed of.  After they got me to confess, I admitted that at one time I had sacrificed a bishop.  They were shocked....

algorab
Defence4Gizchehs wrote:
algorab wrote:

B=N because a lone bishop due to its color blindness can access only half of the chessboard

2B>2N or B+N because in the B pair the color blindness is compensated

You know what is Fun to do?
A Pure Knight versus Bishop Battle without any other pieces involved.
I let Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit do this against herself, once. now.  


It depends on where the kings and the pawns are located, but if the N player is able to exploit the color blindness of the lone opponent B then the superior mobility of the latter is neutralized

PatzerLars

A knight is stronger than a bishop. 

Knight: plate mail and sword; strong body

Bishop: miter and staff; weak body

 

 Knight wins.

CalamityChristie

At move 1, the knight is stronger ... the bishop is totally useless on move 1, worth 0 points.

Stevie65

I think the car is better than the top hat,but the top hat is better than the boot and don't ya just love it when someone lands on one of your purple ones....with a hotel of course.

Oh just to make it relevant i swapped that game for a chess set.

Polar_Bear

From my experience:

1N  1B

2N  1N+1B

1N+1B  2B

2N  2B (very tricky to evaluate, depends on the character of position)

2N+1B  1N+2B

R+B  R+N

Q+B  Q+N

2B+R+p  2R+N

CalamityChristie

I reckon Estragon has nailed it.

i love the flexibility of the knights and enjoy the tricks you can do with them and rather playing with them over bishops ....

but for practical purposes, i favour the ability of the bishops to gain advantages more often.

Polar_Bear
Estragon wrote:

15 years or so ago, GM Larry Kaufmann (a professor of computer science) was tasked with helping develop the evaluation functions for the commercial versions of Rybka [...]

Pretty nonsense, Rajlich started working on Rybka in 2003 -> 9 years ago, and he didn't hire GM Kaufmann to do such research, but copied Crafty and Fruit.

iixxPROxxii

A knight is much stronger than the bishop in closed positions.......

goldendog

When are muppets better than puppets?

ekorbdal

The only truism is that a single bishop is stuck on his (or nearly her) square.

In an end game if a player has most pieces on the opposite coloured square,

 then the lone bishop is of not much use! 

CalamityChristie

there's supposed to be a little green cushion that attaches to the glue, before the piece is used.

Stevie65

Fuzzy felts..different colours..Thats it!  which colours the strongest

theREALpro

Knight ftw!

Bill_C

I think it might have been GM Kaufman that suggested the Knights were reletively stronger at the beginning of the game given the amount of pawns on the board and the fact that they do not require an immediate pawn move to be activated but that as the pawns are removed from the board, the BIshops are considered to be reletively stronger (however, there are even some cases where the opposite can happen in chess as well).

But then again,I also thought Twinkees lasted forever too.... Turns out it is like 25 days, but they are still pretty tasty.