A little gripe about language

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Maybe I'm too much of a curmudgeon disabled by my mother's strict insistence that I learn to speak well.

 

I just watched a video that had exceptional content in what the master said, but that I found almost impossible to watch because of how he said it. There were two problems in the how:

 

1) pronouns

2) filler words

 

1) pronouns

Once, the master said "he or she", but through the rest of the video vacillated between "they" for any future opponent the viewer might face, and "he" for White in the game. White was a woman, indeed the Women's World Champion.

2) filler words

"Okay" at the end of many sentences and many similar expressions.

 

As I said, maybe I'm too much of curmudgeon. I wanted to take the young master, sit him down, and make him speak his own native language with some fluency. Alternately, I wanted to compel him to attend weekly meetings of Toastmasters until he never utters filler works again.

I know that I've lost the war concerning pronoun usage, at least regarding the plural for the singular. The master's use of "he" for a she, on the other hand, makes him a relic of the curmudgeons whom I battled when I was young, such as my English 301 (advanced composition) professor who called "he or she" an example of "trendy bovine waste". He did not say "bovine waste".

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To each their own... Smile

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I have noticed that also.  For some reason lazy english seems to be the norm.  Even online new articles are riddled with spelling errors, and bad grammar.  

Did the Master at least "keep it real" and throw out a lot of "Ummm" and "like"

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Diakonia wrote:

Did the Master at least "keep it real" and throw out a lot of "Ummm" and "like"

 

The latter is essential to his diction. He managed to avoid "ummm". maybe he's been to Toastmasters once. Plenty of "you knows".

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Diakonia wrote:

Even online new articles are riddled with spelling errors, and bad grammar.

I see it online and in my local newspaper. I don't think either of them uses proofreaders anymore.

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EscherehcsE wrote:
Diakonia wrote:

Even online new articles are riddled with spelling errors, and bad grammar.

I see it online and in my local newspaper. I don't think either of them uses proofreaders anymore.

WeRd :-)

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We have cases in Slovene. You use 2nd case when negating. But it's disappearing sadly. Well, obviously I don't use it in my dialect because it's so different, but Slovene teacher really should.

Example:

Vidim njo. -> (I can see her.)
Ne vidim nje. (not njo) -> (I can't see her.) 

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The urge to say alot of silly and mis-spelt words is incredible.lol.

alas, I am sometimes guilty of saying things akwardly, and with bad grammar and spelling.

Chess is difficult enough, must I also master my native language?  for one, Chess is more interesting.  Plus. I'm old! (well sort of). So the usual explanation to the young (learn good language so you can get ahead in life), seems silly to me now.  

oc, you talking of a chess teacher, not some patzer guy who also blabs on the net.  but I'm surely as guilty as the next guy (maybe more).  so, I got to say, if the chess was instructive, why spend so much time focusing on the english errors?

surely like death and taxes- people writing good stuff poorly is just one of those unavoidable tradgedies of life....

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thegreat_patzer wrote:

if the chess was instructive, why spend so much time focusing on the english errors?

 

Errors in language use sound like emergency sirens to my ear. They are loud and call attention to themselves. There's nothing that I can do about that.

 

Such errors force me to labor in order to focus on the chess content.

 

It's like trying to understand a lecture on philosophy when it is delivered by a naked supermodel. I need a blindfold, so to speak.

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You are correct my friend; there is little more annoying than sitting down to watch a master of our game only to be disappointed by either their lack of English or poor usage of it.

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EndeavourMorse wrote:

You are correct my friend; there is little more annoying than sitting down to watch a master of our game only to be disappointed by either their lack of English or poor usage of it.

I’m ok with the lack of English.  It’s the blatant disregard to even attempt to speak even somewhat coherent English that gets me.

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stoned_sherlock wrote:

all you language nazis should learn some chinese.

一些我们做

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Well, OP's a pedant, but at least I learned a bit of Slovene!

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stoned_sherlock wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
stoned_sherlock wrote:

all you language nazis should learn some chinese.

一些我们做

nice use of google translate there.

You betcha!  Like im going to take the time to learn chinese..

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stoned_sherlock escribió:
Diakonia wrote:
stoned_sherlock wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
stoned_sherlock wrote:

all you language nazis should learn some chinese.

一些我们做

nice use of google translate there.

You betcha!  Like im going to take the time to learn chinese..

same thing the chinese think about your dumbo language.

Not quite. You can't pass without English, for the moment.

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kaynight wrote:

Ease yourself into the 21st century gently OP. Ok?

 

thats hilarious   

 

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Stonelock used a no-no word

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¿¡Maricón de la playa?!  Do yourself a favour and stay on English, Afgan or whatever, please.  Laughing

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Ok, it is a draw then.

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Keep dreaming.