A Newbie drew Stockfish at highest level (2 draws so far)

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Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:

Oh, I think I figured out most of your notation errors (there are a lot)

Still, I don't like that line

Whites defense is pretty easy, which allows white to pawn storm black and defend at the same time.

Or... you just wanted to have some fun insulting someone, and now that you're actually looking at the game it's hard to justify it.

It is hard for <2000 fide to play because as black you need to slowly build up your position before breaking through(assuming that white plays badly) which is difficult for attacking players who play this variation.

 This data consists only of games I've played that begin 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5.

I'd say that Black is doing okay.



Black is probably doing better than usual becuase this is a rare line.

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Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:

Oh, I think I figured out most of your notation errors (there are a lot)

Still, I don't like that line

Whites defense is pretty easy, which allows white to pawn storm black and defend at the same time.

Or... you just wanted to have some fun insulting someone, and now that you're actually looking at the game it's hard to justify it.

It is hard for <2000 fide to play because as black you need to slowly build up your position before breaking through(assuming that white plays badly) which is difficult for attacking players who play this variation.

 This data consists only of games I've played that begin 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5.

I'd say that Black is doing okay.



Black is probably doing better than usual because this is a rare line.

 

Not that rare in my experience. The total number of games in ECO C00-C19 in my personal database is barely over 20,000 and 3242 are in that "rare" line. Overall, in my games Black does slightly better than the mainline exchange. As White, I usually enter the Exchange via 1.e4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4--from the line given in the earlier post, 4.c4 is not the most popular move, but it does score better for White than the alternatives.



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Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:

Oh, I think I figured out most of your notation errors (there are a lot)

Still, I don't like that line

Whites defense is pretty easy, which allows white to pawn storm black and defend at the same time.

Or... you just wanted to have some fun insulting someone, and now that you're actually looking at the game it's hard to justify it.

It is hard for <2000 fide to play because as black you need to slowly build up your position before breaking through(assuming that white plays badly) which is difficult for attacking players who play this variation.

 This data consists only of games I've played that begin 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5.

I'd say that Black is doing okay.



Black is probably doing better than usual because this is a rare line.

 

Not that rare in my experience. The total number of games in ECO C00-C19 in my personal database is barely over 20,000 and 3242 are in that "rare" line. Overall, in my games Black does slightly better than the mainline exchange. As White, I usually enter the Exchange via 1.e4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4--from the line given in the earlier post, 4.c4 is not the most popular move, but it does score better for White than the alternatives.



That line is probably objectively bad, even though it is ok in practice.

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Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:

Oh, I think I figured out most of your notation errors (there are a lot)

Still, I don't like that line

Whites defense is pretty easy, which allows white to pawn storm black and defend at the same time.

Or... you just wanted to have some fun insulting someone, and now that you're actually looking at the game it's hard to justify it.

It is hard for <2000 fide to play because as black you need to slowly build up your position before breaking through(assuming that white plays badly) which is difficult for attacking players who play this variation.

 This data consists only of games I've played that begin 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5.

I'd say that Black is doing okay.



Black is probably doing better than usual because this is a rare line.

 

Not that rare in my experience. The total number of games in ECO C00-C19 in my personal database is barely over 20,000 and 3242 are in that "rare" line. Overall, in my games Black does slightly better than the mainline exchange. As White, I usually enter the Exchange via 1.e4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4--from the line given in the earlier post, 4.c4 is not the most popular move, but it does score better for White than the alternatives.



That line is probably objectively bad, even though it is ok in practice.

 

It is becoming increasingly clear that your 13.g4 was not a typing error, but what you genuinely thought was a reasonable move.

The line is solid, but offers White minimal advantage. It's thus a lot like that garbage London System that Magnus Carlsen plays. 

I gotta say that your performance against that "bad" line is singularly impressive.



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Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:

Oh, I think I figured out most of your notation errors (there are a lot)

Still, I don't like that line

Whites defense is pretty easy, which allows white to pawn storm black and defend at the same time.

Or... you just wanted to have some fun insulting someone, and now that you're actually looking at the game it's hard to justify it.

It is hard for <2000 fide to play because as black you need to slowly build up your position before breaking through(assuming that white plays badly) which is difficult for attacking players who play this variation.

 This data consists only of games I've played that begin 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5.

I'd say that Black is doing okay.



Black is probably doing better than usual because this is a rare line.

 

Not that rare in my experience. The total number of games in ECO C00-C19 in my personal database is barely over 20,000 and 3242 are in that "rare" line. Overall, in my games Black does slightly better than the mainline exchange. As White, I usually enter the Exchange via 1.e4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4--from the line given in the earlier post, 4.c4 is not the most popular move, but it does score better for White than the alternatives.



That line is probably objectively bad, even though it is ok in practice.

 

It is becoming increasingly clear that your 13.g4 was not a typing error, but what you genuinely thought was a reasonable move.

The line is solid, but offers White minimal advantage. It's thus a lot like that garbage London System that Magnus Carlsen plays. 

I gotta say that your performance against that "bad" line is singularly impressive.



I play the Catalan.

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forked_again wrote:
drmrboss wrote:

the usual worthless meme BS

Come up with something new man.  So tired and boring.  Do you really have nothing better to do with your life?



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Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Asparagusic_acids wrote:
llama44 wrote:

Oh, I think I figured out most of your notation errors (there are a lot)

Still, I don't like that line

Whites defense is pretty easy, which allows white to pawn storm black and defend at the same time.

Or... you just wanted to have some fun insulting someone, and now that you're actually looking at the game it's hard to justify it.

It is hard for <2000 fide to play because as black you need to slowly build up your position before breaking through(assuming that white plays badly) which is difficult for attacking players who play this variation.

 This data consists only of games I've played that begin 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5.

I'd say that Black is doing okay.



Black is probably doing better than usual because this is a rare line.

 

Not that rare in my experience. The total number of games in ECO C00-C19 in my personal database is barely over 20,000 and 3242 are in that "rare" line. Overall, in my games Black does slightly better than the mainline exchange. As White, I usually enter the Exchange via 1.e4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4--from the line given in the earlier post, 4.c4 is not the most popular move, but it does score better for White than the alternatives.



That line is probably objectively bad, even though it is ok in practice.

 

It is becoming increasingly clear that your 13.g4 was not a typing error, but what you genuinely thought was a reasonable move.

The line is solid, but offers White minimal advantage. It's thus a lot like that garbage London System that Magnus Carlsen plays. 

I gotta say that your performance against that "bad" line is singularly impressive.



I play the Catalan.

 

Me too. But not only that.

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Is still the llama around here wasting her time and other people's time?

I don't know what she said, but she raised the forum all the way to 403 posts. Thanks for your cheap popularity gift llama, but that's not the point of this forum, it's better quality than quantity, and you are providing too much quantity.

Anyways, who cares? Maybe now she is getting drunk again and manipulating other people's posts.

For those people trying to prove how bad player I am, that's pointless. I already said I'm a newbie. The title of the forum starts with that word. So, to keep waisting time trying to prove how bad are my matches in chess.com is a waste of time.

Reading in a fast way (skipping llama meaningless posts) I've seen someone insulting an FM... You guys are insane and immature. If getting an FM title is so easy why don't you get it?

Too much trash-talking and never proving anything. I hope you are doing better in your life outside of the chessboard.

But, anyways... What has happened, is that a newbie that understood strategy books, that understood all blue diagrams in Dvoretsky's endgame manual, can get a draw vs stockfish if he trains visualization all the way up to at least 25 moves and spends hours and hours before making a single move vs stockfish.

It took 9 months to get a couple of draws. That's it. I'm not proud of it, anyone can do it. That doesn't prove I'm a good Chess player, that only proves hours of patience and happiness, because visualizing moves is like a meditation for me, it makes me feel calm and at peace.

I don't take credit for it because I'm anonymous, I didn't earn any money, only wasting my time with a drunkard is what I got.

But anyways I will post next game, because if Chess.com wouldn't exist I would still do this challenge anyways. And if I played a good match, why not to share it with the world? Some people could enjoy it.

I'm playing stockfish following this challenge I made to myself, weather people believe it or not. It just doesn't take any effort to post the game here anyways, so why not to post it? To play the game took weeks, but to post it just minutes. So, I share it.

I'm learning, enjoying and improving myself with this challenge, so I'm not wasting my time.

Trash-talking people are wasting their time. Anyone who's not a titled player insulting titled players (or laughing at other people's ratings) are losers at chess and they are losers in real life at everything, and they will always be losers, that's the reason they become frustrated drunkards in real life as we have seen.

Fortunately I know that for every single loser there are at least 10 times more people who are normal and are not insane. Most of them don't post anything here, because losers always make all the noise and meaningful valuable people are always unnoticed.

Drmrboss and a few more are the only ones worthy to speak here. I don't know if they believe or not this forum or my matches, and I respect their opinion, but at least they are mature and respectful.

All the rest are making me feel like a babysitter taking care of a bunch of ego wounded frustrated weak loser envious babies.

Whatever... who cares?

I'll post my next game even if I lose it, because my cat played the first move 1.a3

I don't know when I will draw or win, maybe in some months or years I'm able to post my next draw or win. Even when I lose the match is interesting to share it and learn from it anyways.

Thank you to all those unnoticed readers, and off course to the noticed respectful ones.

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Ziryab wrote:

Maybe you missed one or two of the rook vs. pawns blue diagrams.



Off course, I never played seriously in chess.com like I'm doing vs Stockfish.

Most of the time that type of game I'm playing with my phone at hand while shopping, while cooking... so, it's normal to skip tactics, give the queen away, etc. I never cared about my chess.com rating or about winning a game vs any user here. Who cares? Do you take it so seriously your matches at chess.com in which you don't earn anything by losing or winning?

In that game you posted as an example, if I would play a tournament with money at stake I would have paid attention to that simple move. And that simple move is not even part of endgame theory, is just a short simple combination a monkey would know how to play it.

On the other hand I'm saying I'm a newbie, if I'm not thinking for hours I will skip tactics. That's the reason I think for hours (sometimes days) a single move vs Stockfish.

I already said all of this in previous posts. I'm tired of repeating myself.

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Once I played daily moves while riding my bike just for the fun of it. 

Another time I was too busy at real life, so I lost three daily matches by time and my rating went down 100 points. You can check those, they were recently. 

Another time I was a couple of days not playing chess and when I logged in chess.com I only had 10 minutes to move in 14 daily boards. 

Who cares? I know I don't earn anything by winning or losing at chess.com. Do you care?

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Another time I had a winning streak of around 33 matches because I had more free time to play at chess.com.

Another week I was stressed and busy and I had a long losing streak because I didn't feel like thinking before making a move.

Who cares?

If I were at a tournament, trying to make a living out of chess I would concentrate in every move.

I really concentrate when playing Stockfish just because I'm playing it over my physical chessboard at the terrace, relaxing, watching my cat walking over the table throwing some chess pieces to the floor. 

Then I take a rest and play with her, later I put back the pieces and I come back to the board to imagine moves and moves ahead.

I don't play chess. I enjoy chess.

 

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p8q wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Maybe you missed one or two of the rook vs. pawns blue diagrams.

Off course, I never played seriously in chess.com

When I don't play seriously I suffer 200 maybe even 300 rating points depending on how much I drank.

You think people will believe that when you don't play seriously you suffer 2000 rating points?

lol

I remember some interviewer asking Carlsen "how many beers would it take before I can beat you?"

Carlsen's answer:

"It doesn't work that way."

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p8q wrote:

Once I played daily moves while riding my bike just for the fun of it. 

Timur Gareyev broke the blindfold world record while riding a bike.

https://en.chessbase.com/post/timur-gareyev-world-record-blindfold-attempt

 

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p8q wrote:

If I were at a tournament, trying to make a living out of chess I would concentrate in every move.

And your rating would be 1300.

 

p8q wrote:

I don't play chess. I enjoy chess.

Seems like you do neither.

You do enjoy trolling though.

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Ah! The llama is still around here! By accident I read your last post.

Llama, what you don't enjoy is life.

I'll give you an advice: stop drinking, that's not improving your chess, your life or your posts either. And get a life.

You are not a titled player, and with your drinking problems you will never be. Stop insulting titled players (you and others).

You already spent two days in this forum full of anger and envy. Do something meaningful in your life.

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I'm not angry or envious. I don't dislike my life or feel like it lacks meaning. Seems like you're doing an awful lot of projecting.

It is fun to watch you squirm under the weight of the facts though. It's like watching Trump, except your ignorance doesn't kill people. It's actually kind of interesting.

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JustMeOkay wrote:

My friend, I have tried to defeat Komodo 11 when it came out with 1 second per move, this is the best any human has ever done and likely the best any human will ever do... Here is the game... I was White. Komodo was Black... A DRAW. 44 seconds it was all over... Nearly a checkmate, but it was a draw...

 

Wooow! Thank you for posting your game! Congratulations grin.png happy.png

I'll enjoy analysing it when I get to my computer.

This is one of the purposes of this forum, I wish other people post their games vs machine. I knew I'm not the only one challenging machines and getting high quality games!

Komodo was the top chess engine some time ago. This is very very interesting happy.png

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(I don't know what the llama posted before your match, I'm sure I'm not the only one not reading her nonsense).

(Now she will start another of her monologues, I suppose.) 

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Naa, I'm fine.

@justmeokay is being honest by saying it was a handicap match, so I have no problem with that post.

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@JustMeOkay

It'll take a long time before I get to my computer, because it's at my other house at the oooother side of the city and I will only go there at dusk today after going to the supermarket.

Meanwhile, could you explain time controls for your match (1 second per move)? And other things, like under which conditions you played, strategy followed, which hardware, etc...?

Thank you again happy.png

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