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Well... African runners win the 100 meter dash by tens and hundredths of a second... so if you really want to use that comparison we'd have to say the best African chess players can do is still over a 2800 rating...
It takes a depth of intellectual honesty to say blacks aren't as intelligent? Well, no, any idiot can say that. It takes intellectual honesty to provide scientific (objective) evidence. I'd be interested in seeing what you can show me.
I can run 100 meters in 8.83 seconds, completely shattering the existing world record. I'm just not gonna do it right now. Not gonna ACTUALLY PROVE IT. Its an amazing secret (oops, darn, I let the cat out the bag)
Its been forced to be kept under wraps. There are many, many others like me though that's had our talents kept secret by oppression from you know who: Da Man.
We just don't have the funding and social structures to compete on a level playing field. Oh, and the racism we're forced to endure is just appalling. When are we going to be given a fair chance? Signed, The Big, Huge, Fuggin Crab In The Bucket
MrDamonSmith wrote:
Its been forced to be kept under wraps. There are many, many others like me though that's had our talents kept secret by oppression from you know who: Da Man.
Has to do with the illuminaty, the end of the world, and shape shifting replicons I'd bet.
Ok. I'm finished now.......... I think
14words is intellectually challenged i dare say, I say that in fourteen uneventful words.
Sa'id bin Jubair from Africa was World Champion of Shatranj (a precursor to the current form of chess) from approximately 700 to 714 CE.
Moses2792796 wrote:
14words wrote:
I said: The unspeakable truth is that just as animals and plants differ in traits and abilities, so do the races differ in traits and abilities.
It never ceases to amaze me how American democrats seem to be terrified of this incredibly obvious fact.
I too think it is true. But it opens door for people who want to do harm based on differences. So I guess that's why this isn't discussed much.
When I was young people would say: Hispanics are warm blooded, hot tempered. Asians are hard working ad intelligent. Dutch are greedy and calvinistic. Ethiopians are great runners. etc
All kinds of traits where known to be more prevalent in different area's. And people said it without any problem. But nowadays that is just racist.
I don't know.. I think Hispanics are a bit more hot tempered on average. Actually, I wish I had a bit more of their temper! (or am I being racist now?)
Ofcourse I dont think people should treat people differently because of race, or because they are averagely more this or that (treat an individual as an individual). But I dont really like how we have to act like there is no difference at all.
Feb 27, 2013
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14words wrote:
@Wafflemaster I didn't say blacks aren't as intelligent. Intelligence is not even a concrete concept, as Psychologists and Neuroscientists often disagree on what it constitutes, where to draw the parameters, et cetera.
It's pretty clever how you pay lip-service to "science" and "objectivity", while subjectively re-wording my statement. I didn't say "blacks aren't as intelligent".
I said: The unspeakable truth is that just as animals and plants differ in traits and abilities, so do the races differ in traits and abilities.
Unfortunately, people often use scientific ambiguity in a dishonest way to obfuscate or misconstrue what others are saying, however, that's not the purpose of science.
There is ample psychometric data that would suffice as objective support for my comments. There is also good 'ol fashion observations inferences and predictions that support my comments as rational and logical.
It certainly sounded like you said blacks aren't as intelligent.
Feb 27, 2013
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14words wrote:
It's kind of like asking why there are so few runners of European descent in the 100 meter dash- which is dominated by African runners? To answer your question fundamentally would require a depth of intellectual honesty that is not characteristic of modern times. In truth, the reason why there aren't many black chess players at the GM level is the same reason blacks are at the bottom of the IQ scale. You can apply your question to any intellectual pursuit ie why aren't there that many black scientists, inventors, mathematicians or Jeopardy champions? The unspeakable truth is that just as animals and plants differ in traits and abilities, so do the races of mankind differ in traits and abilities.
What are you claiming here when you say the reason there aren't many black GMs is the same as the reason for being at the bottom of the IQ scale, and then say races differ in traits and abilities too? It certainly sounds like you're saying they're not at the same intelligence level.
It's political madness gone mad!
Feb 27, 2013
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14words wrote:
There is ample psychometric data that would suffice as objective support for my comments. There is also good 'ol fashion observations inferences and predictions that support my comments as rational and logical.
No there isn't. You wouldn't be able to find a single respectable scientific study to back up these claims, and I don't for a second believe you've actually tried, because the opposite of what you say is true. You should try to gain some scientific literacy and learn how to find respectable peer reviewed studies on race(which is essentially a social construct) and genetics. Also I hope you will one day see the irony in trying to use bogus and outright stupid science in an attempt to prove some kind of superiority.
There definitely are studies that back up his claim that black people score worse on IQ tests than white. In the USA anyway. I can't speak for world wide.
As a product of a Malawian dad and Scottish mum, this was definitely a point of interest to my brother and I growing up, so it is something I have looked into in the past. These studies do exist in the USA and tend to show that white Americans score significantly higher than black Americans. Of course, there are many different theories as to why. Some say that a much larger section of black Americans (than white) lived below the poverty line for much longer, and the same level of schooling was unavailable for many years. That argument might have some merit. I don't know, it is someone else's opinion. It sounds reasonable to me though. If true I would imagine the gap will begin to close over time.
Of course, these are generalisations. The studies exist but mean nothing individual to individual. Being white doesnt make you any more intelligent than the next black person you see walking down the street.
There is also the fact that black people tend to dominate a lot of sport. It's not racist to say so, it's true. Being black doesnt make you any better at boxing than Wladimir Klitschko though.
Ultimately it comes down to the individual. No white person is better than all black people simply because they are white, the same is true of any other race.
While I think the guy could have phrased it slightly better, I understand where he is coming from.
Feb 27, 2013
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Genghiskhant wrote:Of course, there are many different theories as to why. Some say that a much larger section of black Americans (than white) lived below the poverty line for much longer, and the same level of schooling was unavailable for many years. That argument might have some merit. I don't know, it is someone else's opinion. It sounds reasonable to me though. If true I would imagine the gap will begin to close over time.
Yes this. I'm not saying that a gap doesn't exist in the US, only that it has nothing to do with inherent qualities of a particular race. Black people in the US will score lower on average on an IQ test because the history of the way blacks have been treated in the US has led to conditions where there are many many more living below the poverty line. There are going to be other cultural factors as well. However you will not find a test that shows that blacks and whites or any other race for that matter in the same socioeconomic conditions will score differently on tests. To say that it comes down to race isn't merely misleading it's flat out wrong.
I don't think there are different inherent talents for different races; rather I think it's a byproduct of what activities and endeavors a particular group of people value. So for example, if a particular sport (let's take basketball) is really popular/good players are valued more highly with a certain group of people, then individuals of that group are going to have more opportunities to play basketball, and will feel a significant amount of pressure to play basketball rather than, say, chess. At this point it becomes a numbers game-we can look at peoples' ability as a bell curve, where most people will be average, and there will be fewer people at the far extremes. The more people who participate in a given activity, the more likely it is to see individuals at the high-ability side. So if there are more African American basketball players (in comparison to other groups) there will be more African American players that are really good (again in comparison to other groups). Likewise, if there are more people of European descent playing chess, there will be more people of European descent in the upper levels.
Thus, it's not a matter of innate ability, it's more a matter of interest within particular communities. It's the same reason why the highest-rated male chess players have a higher rating in comparison to the best female players: there are fewer female chess players.
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