Alekhine or Tal ?

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Fischer.

paulsen1946

Tal was a great attacking player but some of his wns had a lot of bad mistakes in them after the experts reviewed them afterwards.This was because he quite literally scared his opponents with his fierce attacking style at the time.They counted as a victory for him so thats what matters!!!Alekhine did not have these mistakes or very few,so i would say alekhine is  the overall better player

PUMAPRIDE

i just love tals personality. just like when he said, i have beaten bobby three times in a row, i think that gives me the right to scribble his names. but to be verry honest if they lived at the same time, alekhine would have beaten tal like he had beaten capa. 

PUMAPRIDE

alekhine just took chess to serious and tal didnt, but as a person i think tal would have been really fun to know and hang around with. shame he is dead

bobbyDK

I'll pick Tal all his games I have seen with him was magic. Tal proved that chess wasn't about perfection but Tal was able to win because he was Tal.

PUMAPRIDE
bobbyDK wrote:

I'll pick Tal all his games I have seen with him was magic. Tal proved that chess wasn't about perfection but Tal was able to win because he was Tal.


maybe thats true, but bobby said that capa had to play so exceptionally good because he played weak oppenings, so he won because he was capa. but alekhine will to work hard made him beat such a phenomenal talent (even so that capa never studied, is probably the biggest lie in chess history)

TinLogician

Alekhine.  He could punish a bad move like no one else and come up with tactics seemingly out of nowhere.

paulsen1946

I quite agree with the above letter by webhead.Everthing you say is true.especially punishing bad moves like no one else.If you like alekhine which i do,check out his win against bogoljubov at hastings 1922.How he switched the pressure from one side of the board to the other is truly awe inspiring!!!!!Thanks webhead for your comment.

wu345

Definitely Alekhine hes even got an opening named after him

pauix

This one si difficult, but I'm picking Micky Tal. His games are crazy!

And I know he made mistakes. Fischer himself sayed that "Even though I lost 4 games in a row with him I consider his way of playing unsound". Maybe his way of playing was not sound, but it was brilliant!

PUMAPRIDE
pauix wrote:

This one si difficult, but I'm picking Micky Tal. His games are crazy!

And I know he made mistakes. Fischer himself sayed that "Even though I lost 4 games in a row with him I consider his way of playing unsound". Maybe his way of playing was not sound, but it was brilliant!


and Fischer didnt even say it so directly. He said -if i remember correctly- his game seems to me a bit unsound or something along that lines. No doubt tal was a genius but alekhine was a phenomenal worker

Vyomo

Tie! Both were attacking geniuses, it's like comparing chess to food, both are wonderful( and I can't exist without eitherWink)

dashkee94

Quoite from Capablanca on Alekhine (from a Dutch video): "20% of Dr. Alekhine's game is bluff."  So again it's a push, but I stick with Tal, if only because he was a much better person.

trysts
dashkee94 wrote:

Quoite from Capablanca on Alekhine (from a Dutch video): "20% of Dr. Alekhine's game is bluff."  So again it's a push, but I stick with Tal, if only because he was a much better person.


Ya' know, I do the same thing! In chess, there are many geniuses in it's history, so, I just finally base my opinion on whether, or not, I could tolerate a drink or two with them!Laughing

Tal? Definitely! Just because he seemed like a clever person. Alekhine? I really would like to know the true story of Alekhine, even if, in the end, it turns out to be disgusting and shameful.

dashkee94

trysts

Two of the players I would have loved to have a few drinks with and play some chess are Tal and Ben Franklin.  From what I've read, they both sound like a memorable night.

And if you want the story on Alekhine, maybe start a forum petition for batgirl to do some posts on him.  She helped me with my Morphy/Lowenthal story I posted here, and I can tell you she stunned me several times with her research ability.  Compared to her, I'm @1100 and she's in the high 2700's.  I've never met anybody with the instant access to the obscure like she has.

trysts
dashkee94 wrote:

trysts

Two of the players I would have loved to have a few drinks with and play some chess are Tal and Ben Franklin.  From what I've read, they both sound like a memorable night.

And if you want the story on Alekhine, maybe start a forum petition for batgirl to do some posts on him.  She helped me with my Morphy/Lowenthal story I posted here, and I can tell you she stunned me several times with her research ability.  Compared to her, I'm @1100 and she's in the high 2700's.  I've never met anybody with the instant access to the obscure like she has.


Yes, batgirl is quite excellent and it's a joy to read what interests her in the history of chessSmile

Ben Franklin? Why?

PUMAPRIDE
dashkee94 wrote:

Quoite from Capablanca on Alekhine (from a Dutch video): "20% of Dr. Alekhine's game is bluff."  So again it's a push, but I stick with Tal, if only because he was a much better person.


well  i heard from a gm, in a youtube video, that capablanca and alekhine avoided each other. if capablanca would have thought that, why wouldnt he have taken  a return match (like botvinnik, even so i heard before that alekhine  avoided capa) i think it was helmut pfleger who said that they avoided each other. Also Alekhine was really the strongest and he wasnt afraid to play anyone, unlike lasker who avoided to play capa for 10 years and alekhine was WC till he died. Well maybe tal is better is anyway. And of course i respect capa of how he impressed the ladies with his crazy talk, but do you really want to believe someone who said, he never studied chess and became wc out of nothing? See how special Fischer his, he is probably one of the verry few chess greats who isnt a complete liar. like capa or kasparov and all that kind

dashkee94

trysts

I'm not sure how much you know about ol' Ben, so I'll give you the broad, condensed version.  He was gifted; a brilliant writer, a world famous scientist, a distinguished diplomat, inventor, musician, philosopher, chess player who knew the value of wine, women, and song.  He is the only member of the Continental Congress who could compete with Jefferson intellectually and Washington sexually, and he had a  sharper wit than all of them.  Out of all the historical figures I'm aware of, he is the one I'd most like to sit down with to a couple of pints and shoot the bull.

pumapride

Well, Mir Sultan Khan pretty much did just that--become a world-class player without having read a book, because he couldn't read.  What he learned about chess came from playing and personal study.  Why is so hard for some people to accept that there are natural talents at this game?  And Capablanca, Kasparov, and all the rest are complete liars, and Fischer is--what--some shining beacon of truth?  Are you kidding me?  Send me some of what you're smoking, 'cause we don't have anything that strong around here.

Vyomo

I don't think it's smokng- it's pure stupidity, so....

oinquarki
wu345 wrote:

Definitely Alekhine hes even got an opening named after him


 

http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/B06_Modern_Defense_Two_Knights_Variation_Suttles_Variation_Tal_Gambit