the nastier the weather outdoors, the stronger the chess culture of the country..you see, russia, eastern europe,mholland, even uk...ugly weather, nice chess. on the other hand, not too elite chess on the beaches of, say, jamaica...
Americans suck at chess...why?
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Roundyracer wrote:
Must be lonely in the basement when all your chess friends has signed off.I never have looked at color sex or race when in game.Why does it matter?May the best one win.But for sure you cant fix stupid.
What we cannot do (apparently) is rationally discuss chess on a chess website without dumb-idiots being insulting.
Lol I should change my flag in shame.
Feb 16, 2013
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Roundyracer wrote:
We are to busy pulling every other country azz out of a jam when the bullets fly.How much money flows into the USA.But plenty is flowing out.How many soldiers are buried for you outher countries troubles.Its time we die for us not everyone eleses.Maybe youd pay a little more attention to your countries woes instead of chess youd get the picture.2 toursw Viet Nam Marine Vet here,dont feed me no trash talk.You should be ashamed.Why nationality has anything to do with the great game.
Proud to be a murderer, eh?
Seraphimity wrote:
royalbishop wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:
Bruce Willis in another Die Hard movie. Buy a chess book and set instead.
Chess book, yes! I wasn't sure how to phrase that without being derogatory. I have often mused to myself about being glad so n so never read a single chess book or had access to study material, opening lines etc... Not sure I get your Bruce Willis comment. I have had the pleasure of playing certian folks becuase of a familiarity that my socio-economic status afforded me at birth and the fact I am a very respectful person,, or I would be dead. I am not a drug user if that was your inference. I read somewhere Benjermain Franklin had a certain predilection for socializing with the "help"..
Visit a movie site and see how many people are talking about chess.
Feb 16, 2013
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netzach wrote:
Not home-produced talent!
Flat wrong. Nakamura, Seirawan, Robson, and Shankland are "home-produced".
Intellectualism is viewed in a negative light in america. For example, american TV tends to mock intellectuals. Americans tend to value things like leadership, physical fitness, self sufficiency and questioning authority and tradition. The dislike of chess follows from this.
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Not home-produced talent!
Flat wrong. Nakamura, Seirawan, Robson, and Shankland are "home-produced".
Really? First two not even born in the states and learned to play from Sri-Lankan and Latvian tutors.
How do you define home-produced talent?
Feb 16, 2013
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netzach wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Not home-produced talent!
Flat wrong. Nakamura, Seirawan, Robson, and Shankland are "home-produced".
Really? First two not even born in the states and learned to play from Sri-Lankan and Latvian tutors.
How do you define home-produced talent?
They learned to play in the United States, and their opponents prior to beginning international competition were Americans. That is home grown.
Seirawan, especially, is a product of the active and vibrant Seattle chess scene. It was strong then, and it is strong now. Seattle, of course, has been an international community strengthened by immigrants from its beginning as a non-Indian community in the 1850s. Today, Georgi Orlov--a Russian immigrant--is the strongest player there. He, too, is an American (even if not born one). He is not "homegrown," but the hundreds of youth players that he and his late-wife Elena Donaldson have coached are homegrown.
jesterville wrote:
Stephen who? Sorry thought he was a GM. Energy can not be created nor destoyed.
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Yes royalbishop, this is what our current level of understanding teaches us...but you forgot the most important word associated with this "conservation of energy theory", and that is "naturally". Energy cannot be created nor destroyed naturally.
Of course, if we believe this to be so...how do we explain The Big Bang? Something from nothing?
Suggesting you can get something from nothing is idiotic. During my Freshman yr as an Engr student i was stupid to just taking things without checking them for myself. Later i learned scientist for the most are stupid and lacking some simple common sense.
The Big bang theory? How do they have any theory based on their experience as it happened long before they were born. Only one proof of evidence what happenend. People just think the planets were not created without a plan. Just some random event. Hundereds of life forms just randomly created? I think not.
Out in that dark void we call space. Obvious there is something out there to create the Sun, Moon, Stars and Planets. Why we do not see it? Why should we right now. Look what we have done to this planet. Having created cars that create all kinds of nasty things in the air. We go into space and yet we fight with each over petty things. And if it gets heated both sides come to arms with the intent of forcing the opponent to submit to their way of thinking for all time.
Don't tell that to the people trying to discover the Higgs boson.
Hey AlCzervik it's already the 5th dude...just slip the rent under my door...
Feb 16, 2013
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The word lunacy came to mind reading some of the comments, and that led to this image.
Feb 16, 2013
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FirebrandX wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Not home-produced talent!
Flat wrong. Nakamura, Seirawan, Robson, and Shankland are "home-produced".
Really? First two not even born in the states and learned to play from Sri-Lankan and Latvian tutors.
How do you define home-produced talent?
They learned to play in the United States, and their opponents prior to beginning international competition were Americans. That is home grown.
Seirawan, especially, is a product of the active and vibrant Seattle chess scene. It was strong then, and it is strong now. Seattle, of course, has been an international community strengthened by immigrants from its beginning as a non-Indian community in the 1850s. Today, Georgi Orlov--a Russian immigrant--is the strongest player there. He, too, is an American (even if not born one). He is not "homegrown," but the hundreds of youth players that he and his late-wife Elena Donaldson have coached are homegrown.
I was just about to jump on his post when I noticed you nailed it perfect. Far too often people look at technicallities of ethnic background rather than where these people learned and mastered chess. I've met Hikaru and he's 100% American.
Absolutely! Who, other than an American, says, "it is what it is" in three consecutive post-game interviews.
Aren't "Pharmacists" supposed to be people that don't commonly say words like "suck" or "why why why"?
Oh yea, they taught us that during organic chemistry...don't use certain words. Guess I'm a rebel.
Ziryab wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Not home-produced talent!
Flat wrong. Nakamura, Seirawan, Robson, and Shankland are "home-produced".
Really? First two not even born in the states and learned to play from Sri-Lankan and Latvian tutors.
How do you define home-produced talent?
They learned to play in the United States, and their opponents prior to beginning international competition were Americans. That is home grown.
Seirawan, especially, is a product of the active and vibrant Seattle chess scene. It was strong then, and it is strong now. Seattle, of course, has been an international community strengthened by immigrants from its beginning as a non-Indian community in the 1850s. Today, Georgi Orlov--a Russian immigrant--is the strongest player there. He, too, is an American (even if not born one). He is not "homegrown," but the hundreds of youth players that he and his late-wife Elena Donaldson have coached are homegrown.
I was just about to jump on his post when I noticed you nailed it perfect. Far too often people look at technicallities of ethnic background rather than where these people learned and mastered chess. I've met Hikaru and he's 100% American.
Absolutely! Who, other than an American, says, "it is what it is" in three consecutive post-game interviews.
If you live in the US and if you pay your taxes your American. lol.
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
netzach wrote:
Not home-produced talent!
Flat wrong. Nakamura, Seirawan, Robson, and Shankland are "home-produced".
Really? First two not even born in the states and learned to play from Sri-Lankan and Latvian tutors.
How do you define home-produced talent?
They learned to play in the United States, and their opponents prior to beginning international competition were Americans. That is home grown.
Seirawan, especially, is a product of the active and vibrant Seattle chess scene. It was strong then, and it is strong now. Seattle, of course, has been an international community strengthened by immigrants from its beginning as a non-Indian community in the 1850s. Today, Georgi Orlov--a Russian immigrant--is the strongest player there. He, too, is an American (even if not born one). He is not "homegrown," but the hundreds of youth players that he and his late-wife Elena Donaldson have coached are homegrown.
Ziryab was answering the post above my own and clearly in tongue-in-cheek fashion. Major assumption being that a topic titled:
Americans suck at chess...why?
Was intended to be light-hearted/irreverant look at the reasons?
Nevertheless how you decide to consider those two mentioned ''home-produced'' when the actual people were not even born on US soil is beyond me.
Was not disputing that US players in top 10 thought of themselves as anything other than American only that for some of them their interest/talent for chess did not originate from there.
Home-grown is not the same thing as home-produced. Anyone could take an oak-tree-sapling from Canada for example and plant it on American soil where it might grow and flourish but America did not produce the sapling?
Must be lonely in the basement when all your chess friends has signed off.I never have looked at color sex or race when in game.Why does it matter?May the best one win.But for sure you cant fix stupid.