Aronian: Women Cannot Play Chess

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MainlineNovelty
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
MainlineNovelty wrote:
Debistro wrote:

Nigel Short apparently has an account here under the username "HonestGirl". There ya go.....

Because HonestGirl is an anagram for his name...

Nice catch!

It was fairly well known at the time, although it might have been a red herring (I feel like the real Nigel Short would've picked "HitlerSong" Tongue Out)

Debistro
MainlineNovelty wrote:
Debistro wrote:

Nigel Short apparently has an account here under the username "HonestGirl". There ya go.....

Because HonestGirl is an anagram for his name...

Anagram or not, let's face it, many men like to pose as females or use female usernames online, even if in this case everyone knows "Honest Girl's" identity.

Alter ego thing.

Elubas
shell_knight wrote:
InfiniteFlash wrote:

Is it sexist for me to say, based off evidence, women aren't as good at chess as men are? The evidence indicates that this is the case at the top levels.

Except for Polgar, whom many cherry pick as the golden girl of chess, and Hou Yifan soon, where are all the 2700 female chess players? There should be, or at least expected to more than a few female contenders, but there's not.

The answer probably lays in some mixture of biological and environmental factors, but it's not clear to me why this is the case.

Women can play chess well, obviously, but we may find soon some processes that lead to men somehow being better than women at chess at the higher levels.

I'd like to see the distribution of female players in the chess population to help shed some light on the situation.

Why are so few Americans in top level chess?  Are Americans biologically worse at chess?  Something with the brain?  Or does some kind of social explanation make sense?  Do talented kids really stop playing chess to pursue other careers?  Are tournaments not as available for one reason or another?

And do any of these apply to the same question about women?

Think about it

There's a lot that needs to be explained though. It isn't easy to attribute a single cause big enough to explain, give or take, a 99 to 1 ratio. I think neither a biological nor social explanation is in itself sufficient to explain something so big; they probably need to be combined.

shell_knight

Well I guess there's more than 1 question.  The ratio, the playing strength, and the number of titled players (and top players).

He was talking about chess at the higher levels, suggesting women probably can't cut it evidenced by there aren't many women at that level.  And so I'm pointing out e.g. Sofia Polgar, the biggest talent, not even making GM... because she's a girl and wasn't able to, or...

and of course pointing out the flawed reasoning.

But I agree to answer the entire question of women in chess it's a mix of biology and sociology.

jelo-amie

I think it is imortant to know how many women actually take up chess and the ratio of those who make it to the top levels. 

"top level'' needs to be defined also. 

Any man who thinks women ''cannot play'' is free to challenge me. I may not win all the time but I promise to give a good game ... if I am not mated in 20 moves, then he must agree to leave this site and never play chess again. 

after all, it should be quite easy to beat someone who cannot play.

InfiniteFlash
shell_knight wrote:

Well I guess there's more than 1 question.  The ratio, the playing strength, and the number of titled players (and top players).

He was talking about chess at the higher levels, suggesting women probably can't cut it evidenced by there aren't many women at that level.  And so I'm pointing out e.g. Sofia Polgar, the biggest talent, not even making GM... because she's a girl and wasn't able to, or...

and of course pointing out the flawed reasoning.

But I agree to answer the entire question of women in chess it's a mix of biology and sociology.

Well, I am not sure what is flawed about my reasoning. All I did was state a fact, a possible explanation, and an opnion. I haven't made any conclusions.

I totally agree with you. 

jelo-amie

btw Im not here for the ''social experience'' only, i actually DO play chess as with many other women.

Th0EHig1HWa22YReApEr

But no one is too say that men are dumb or women are smart cause that will be sexist.
And I support everyone of you.

TitanCG
Superqueen500 wrote:

http://susanpolgar.blogspot.ca/2008/11/aronian-women-cannot-play-chess.html


Aronian is a chauvinist pig! Read the interview linked above.

Aronian claims that chess is a bloody war, rough and a "man's" game, but he himself is barely a man. GM Gormally punched him and he did nothing after sprawling on the floor. What a chicken.
This is why I need #yesallwomen. Aronian is an uneducated idiot who has no idea of what he's saying. 

You call Aronian chauvinist and then adopt gender roles by criticising him for not swinging back in some attempt to insult him. I don't think it's fair that you judge his comments as sexist and then use that same language yourself.

Anyway I don't like the comments either.

CJ_P

Kasparov once said female chess players need to go back to having babies. He later said judit Polgar prove all detractors of women in chess wrong.

People have views. People's views change. Literally, there is no need to get your panties in bunch over it.

mark_a_moran
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Th0EHig1HWa22YReApEr

Your opinion is duly noted my friend.
(FYI : No pun, sarcasm intended.)

TheGreatOogieBoogie

 

"Why are so few Americans in top level chess?  Are Americans biologically worse at chess?  Something with the brain?  Or does some kind of social explanation make sense?  Do talented kids really stop playing chess to pursue other careers?  Are tournaments not as available for one reason or another?

 

And do any of these apply to the same question about women?"

 

The last two definitely apply to America in general and not women specifically.  Women aren't barred from competing in opens.

 

Americans seem to care more about Poker.  At a bookstore (I do most of my shopping on Amazon for this reason) there's only a sliver of chess (and it's all Cardoza books) and the rest of the shelf is taken up by poker *gags*even though chess is the better game because if you lose it's your fault and not because of what cards you were dealt.  Notice how casinos don't have chess, otherwise Magnus Carlsen, Grischuk and other top players would bankrupt them all!  Then again supercomputers and GMs would probably work for them anyway. 

 

At least there's still Blackjack, which although has a lot to do with chance the chance aspect actually works with mathematical and statistical principles.  If it's the endgame and the deck is almost run out, I have 17 and nearly all heavy cards are gone I'm going to hit as the chances of going over 21 are drastically reduced for example. 

 

 

 

carolina111

I can

Iluvsmetuna

That was totally uncalled for!

APOLOGISE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

Iluvsmetuna

Ok, you're forgiven

MaximRecoil
premio53 wrote:

People are way too sensative.  I've never bashed women chess players but reality shows that at the top levels women like Judit Polgar are extremely rare and to say that men and women don't think differently when it comes to chess is nothing more than being politically correct.  There are exceptions when it comes to strong women chess players but the exception proves the rule. 

I agree with what you're saying here, but that's not what "exception proves the rule" means. It means that when there is only a stated exception, it proves that a corresponding unwritten rule exists. For example, if a city park has a sign which says, "No visitors allowed from dusk till dawn", that exception proves the rule that visitors are allowed in the park from dawn till dusk. Or, if a store has a sign which says, "Closed on Sundays", that exception proves the rule that the store is normally open Monday through Saturday.  

premio53

I was showing the connection between inductive reasoning such as men being stronger than women as a rule but using a female weight lifter who may be stronger than the average male to overthrow the rule that men are stronger than women.  I see no difference when it comes to chess and other areas of life.  Nothing more than political correctness.  Men and women should celebrate their differences instead of wringing their hands over them.

Vortex_Surfer

1/ It's his right to express his opinion

2/ If you're gonna bash or harshly criticize ppl for things you find moronic or disagree with you're never gonna know what they're like..what they're thinking etc ...This applies to real life situations unrelated to chess all the same. Ppl should not be push into groupthink,conformity of thought or whatever kind of thing in that direction.. and slammed for not doing so..That kind of tyranny is far more dangerous.

That's all.

Tyro_UK

I believe that men compete to see who is 'top dog' and is first in line for the most desirable female. Thus there is little if any point in the sexes playing each other. But, strangely, it seems that now women want to prove that they are as 'good' as men, which appears  pointless!