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EternalChess

He didnt..

he placed 66th.. possibly he didnt make strong moves.. in his time there were alot of weaks players, and he just didnt play strong enough to top the list.

Kupov3

ahahaha that graph has Staunton but not Morphy.

Kupov3
SerbianChessStar wrote:

He didnt..

he placed 66th.. possibly he wasnt a strong player?


Computers don't tend to think highly of Morphy or Tal.

Kupov3

ha ha ha

EternalChess
Kupov3 wrote:
SerbianChessStar wrote:

He didnt..

he placed 66th.. possibly he wasnt a strong player?


Computers don't tend to think highly of Morphy or Tal.


 Cause Tal sacrifised in alot of games.. Computers dont like that :)

And come on.. Kasparov owns morphy :)

Kupov3

Well Kasparov might own zombie Morphy, but who's to say that raising Morphy in the same era of chess would lead to the same results.

Results which are of course hypothetical anyway.

EternalChess

Morphy was good in like the .. 1850s?

Openings sucked then.. and they didnt have training softwares, like think about it..

Kasparov has all the latest technology on chess and he pwned because of it, Morphy didnt have anything..

EternalChess
Kupov3 wrote:

Well Kasparov might own zombie Morphy, but who's to say that raising Morphy in the same era of chess would lead to the same results.

Results which are of course hypothetical anyway.


 Who knows.. you can never say Morphy wouldav won.. because what if something happened.. like he quit, or never joined, or something

Kupov3
SerbianChessStar wrote:

Morphy was good in like the .. 1850s?

Openings sucked then.. and they didnt have training softwares, like think about it..

Kasparov has all the latest technology on chess and he pwned because of it, Morphy didnt have anything..


That's why Zombie Morphy would likely lose. Time traveling baby Morphy would be a different entity.

EternalChess
Kupov3 wrote:
SerbianChessStar wrote:

Morphy was good in like the .. 1850s?

Openings sucked then.. and they didnt have training softwares, like think about it..

Kasparov has all the latest technology on chess and he pwned because of it, Morphy didnt have anything..


That's why Zombie Morphy would likely lose. Time traveling baby Morphy would be a different entity.


 What if Morphy could never get past his prime.. some people do get stuck.. or else there would be many kasparovs :P.

Sorry if i dont make sense.. its 1 am.. im tired.. :P

The_Pyropractor

Kasparov is the best. who was next? many sites that I go say that karpov was next. what do you think about that?

EternalChess

and thats why u will never be the best :)

I dont see Carlsen saying hes the best.

The_Pyropractor

agreed Serbian!!

Tricklev
Schachgeek wrote:
SerbianChessStar wrote:

Who knows.. but with just 1 year.. you really cannot tell.. to be so good you must be good for years.

Fischer was somewhat of a chicken.. he refused to play Karpov, he lost a Championship (due to not playing under conditions he wanted), he quit chess when he was at the prime of his life..

All those show signs that he was afraid of continuing.. i believe that he knew he wouldnt be able to hold his brilliancy and decided to quit while he was still good, so he can look good.


Don't mean to sidetrack this thread but Fischer refused to play because of politics at the then-controlled-by-the-USSR FIDE.

Or maybe he was already in the process of losing his marbles.

I don't think Fischer was afraid of anything.


Fide wasn't controlled by the Russians when he left. Granted Euwe wasn't popular since he made it pretty clear to everyone he wanted someone from the west to win the WC-title, but it still took a few years before they managed to shut Euwe down and strip him from the power.

Fischer had no proper reason to say no to the match, granted though, the Russians wheren't exactly keen on having their number 1 defeated by Fischer before he hit his prime either. None of the sides where interested in having the match that year, but Sovjet had political reasons for not having the match, Fischer just had mad reasons.

Relentless95
tryst wrote:

It is tough to put either one 5th, but, Alekhine beat Capablanca for the World Championship, so...

And what is wrong with being a drunkard?


Perhaps it is true that Alekhine is better, but remember, he was a coward not to accept Capa's rematch. Plus, Alekhine said he was extremely surprised he beat Capa. Remember another thing, the champ has to go down sometime. Kasparov went down to Kramnik, do you have Kramnik above Kasparov?

Tricklev

Well, to Alekhines defence, both of the players behaved very scotchy about their matches, and showed no respect whatsoever against eachother. While Alekhine no doubt took the easy way out, Capa wasn't exactly bending over backwards to get the match. Capa actually said no to the match under the same conditions that Alekhine had to agree to when he was the challenger. Basicly, Capa didn't agree to the conditions set by himself.

The_Pyropractor

Very interesting Relentless95!! Thank you all for your input!

Sceadungen

I think Carlsen will be the greatest of all time.

The maturity in his game at his age is astounding.

Capablanca aside Alekhine never really played top notch opposition so it is hard to judge, but he was a great artist.

I go with Fischer up to now.

PawnShadow

Morphy played players who were most likely not super GM level players, so his record of wins and losses is tainted.

The best has to be Kasparov or Fischer.  They played top level GMs and out-classed them for many years.

Carlsen is looking like he is going to challenge the top two spots very soon.

Tricklev

Fischer outclassed them for many years? Which years? I can only think of a few years when he outclassed Sovjet. During the 60 he was strong, strong enough to outclass the America, but not even close to outclassing the Sovjet players.