Black pieces in chess have nothing to do with racism. Stop the nonsense

JayeshSinhaChess

I saw a video where Carlsen and Giri try to fight racism by having black move first for a change.

That video is beyond stupid. Black in chess has nothing to do with racism, and black doesn't move second because of a racist angle to it.

Both sides in chess are equal, and white moves first because someone had to and thats how the rule came to be.

 

Remember chess invented in India in ancient times when they probably never knew that there are other races in the world besides Indians. While I know that rules have changed but white has always moved first.

The pieces could have been red and yellow with red to move first, and that would be racist to the chinese people?

 

This is stupid, and the videos attach an unnecessary stigma to the rules of chess and frankly see racism where none exists.

 

ABC_of_EVERYTHING

i just today observed in city bus about how the passengers are fighting with handyman and driver about how they should preserve their advantage over other bus by not collecting passengers and move empty seated through the journey  infront of other buses. 

JayeshSinhaChess

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mgx9600

How do you know that back when chess was invented in India that they didn't use darker and lighter brown pieces? With the lighter pieces moving first?  This is the kind of illogical history argument that a lot of issues today arise.

To correctly argue about white/black in chess, you need to trace it all the way back; not just take its initial (and guessed at that) origin.  Something that isn't racist can become racist, and vice versa.

Since we can't really do that too easily, the next best thing to do is just to take things at face value and interpret it with present day's values.  .. and based on the many discussions on this board, there are many who thinking it is racist.

Ghost_Horse0
JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

Black in chess has nothing to do with racism, and black doesn't move second because of a racist angle to it.

That is obvious. Stop being stupid. They were just using the game and their (relatively minor) fame to make a statement.

AnthonyAtanasov
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

Black in chess has nothing to do with racism, and black doesn't move second because of a racist angle to it.

That is obvious. Stop being stupid. They were just using the game and their (relatively minor) fame to make a statement.

+1

fgsjd

If they meant it literally then that would be stupid, but I think it was meant to be symbolic.Also I do one thing for sure and that is that it that we cant change what piece color went first every other game just to avoid offending a few unreasonable (or missimformed) people. someone has to go first and if we change who does we will make all chess opening books until now obsolete because they have been written thinking black goes second  and should be responding to whites move.

fgsjd

Although  no matter what they meant by it or what happens it doesn't really matter because it won't change anything 

IronIC_U
Oh jeepers, can’t we all just get along?
Potato50012
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

Black in chess has nothing to do with racism, and black doesn't move second because of a racist angle to it.

That is obvious. They were just using the game and their (relatively minor) fame to make a statement.

Agreed. If you want the black pieces to move first, turn on high contrast mode, or switch the pieces on your real board. I don*t care what you do, but for me, it seems obvious that the color has nothing to do with racism. So, people, please, this topic has no value.

autobunny
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
JayeshSinhaChess wrote:

Black in chess has nothing to do with racism, and black doesn't move second because of a racist angle to it.

That is obvious. Stop being stupid. They were just using the game and their (relatively minor) fame to make a statement.

This is chess.com. please respect our ways. 

Luitpoldt

The more tyrannical the ideology, the more it invades the merely symbolic realm.  Just as Nazi Germany insisted on a return to the old-fashioned way of writing German letters to manifest submission to its ideology of extreme nationalism, so too modern political correctness regards what used to be the neutral grammatical rule that 'he' and 'his' denote the unknown subject as sexist, and the color black going second in chess as having manifesting a prejudice against people of the same color.  It is not enough just to tyrannize real people with the demands of ideological conformity, but eventually everything becomes a symbolic battleground of conformity or apostasy toward the ruling worldview.

DENVERHIGH



Potato50012

Agreed @Luitpoldt.

andr3sviolin

I think you misunderstood, they aren't implying chess is rascist, it's just a positive message of "race doesn't give advantage", this was just a symbolic play. You are still looking for deeper meanings when there are none, it was a general message of "Rascism is bad, we will make an example using chess because we are chessmen and that's what we do", it wasn't "Chess is rascist"

This isn't so hard to understand

Potato50012

Mmm...

ghost_of_pushwood

However, the red pieces of checkers do!

ghost_of_pushwood
Potato50012 wrote:

Mmm...

Okay, I think we're going to have to get a ruling on this.  BBW...?

Acroduster

ghost_of_pushwood

I want all my pawns to grow up to be girls!