can monkey's play chess?

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mike_tal

I don't know much about Islam, but it seems to be violent religion (this is the popular opinion among non-Muslims, playing devil's advocate I guess)

writterrettewrottery

Na na na na na na na i totally DISAGREE , i think we should not underestimate Powerful IQ of monkeys .  YES they can .. yess they can , Play chess. YOOhoooo  Cool

shell_knight
mike_tal wrote:

I don't know much about Islam, but it seems to be violent religion.  If I am wrong, please correct

It's just he embodied every trait he spoke against.  He made it us vs them, he invoked his religion when talking about killing people, and so of course he was also stupid.  All three of those points were supposed to be against "them."

I don't understand how anyone can listen to extreme logical contradictions like this and not even notice!  It makes me angry and sad.

The Quran does call for killing in certain cases.  The old testament does too... but reasonable people and people of good morals ignore or find ways around these awful things.  I have to think reasonable and moral Muslims do the same in their faith.

And in terms of compassion and forgiveness I think the Quaran is gentler than the old testament.  It's the easily exploitable people (young, uneducated, poor, etc) that fall into being controlled by violent fundamentalist groups... groups like that idiot I saw on youtube was on fire to start.

 

Boogalicious
Doggy_Style_Chess wrote:

Na na na na na na na i totally DISAGREE , i think we should not underestimate Powerful IQ of monkeys .  YES they can .. yess they can , Play chess. YOOhoooo 

Why do guys feel the need to pretend to be gorgeous women in their display icons? Or is that another forum topic already? I'm sure a chimp could outplay a model.

RG1951
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I don't think you'd wanna teach a monkey to play. Everytime they made a good move they'd start screeching and jumping up & down and showing their yucky teeth....and maybe even moon u.

        Just to put the cat among the pigeons - there is no satisfactory evidence that any creature, apart from Homo Sapiens, is capable of reasoning. Most are capable of copying behaviour. Some are capable of a limited memory. All will act in their own interests and of their species instinctively. None, as far as has been seen, can calculate or reason.

kleelof
RG1951 wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I don't think you'd wanna teach a monkey to play. Everytime they made a good move they'd start screeching and jumping up & down and showing their yucky teeth....and maybe even moon u.

        Just to put the cat among the pigeons - there is no satisfactory evidence that any creature, apart from Homo Sapiens, is capable of reasoning. Some are capable of copying behaviour. Some are capable of a limited memory. All will act in their own interests and of their species instinctively. None, as far as has been seen, can calculate or reason.

If a cat is chasing 2 mice, and the mice runs in to a hole. Then one mouse runs out and escapes from the cat, the cat still knows there is 1 mouse left. This is an example of reasoning.

If a monkey climbs a tree to find fruit, and finds none, he knows to go look in another tree. This is an example of reasoning.

There is TONS AND TONS of research about other animals and their reasoning skills, and it is more than a well proven fact that animals have reasoning skills.

Now, if you want to say other animals do not have the ability to reason to the level of humans, I will agree with you 100%. Other animals cannot abstract to the point that humans can, therefore they lack the ability to reason to the levels that humans can.

If you want to deny that humans, in general, act in their bests interestes or without instict, I would have to disagree with you. Again, there is TONS AND TONS of research that shows a great deal of human activity is for their own interests, or, self-preservation. Even when the activities seem alturistic. Two great books to understand this are The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkns and Steven Pinker's How The Mind Works. Both of these books reference many studies that address this issue.

Although difficult to measure (Because humans have the ability to use reason above instinct), there are still many places instinct influences humans. For example, sex and reproduction. Despite what Christians would have us believe, sexual urges come from our nature, not from what we learn. If a human male and human female were raised from an early age without other humans around, they WOULD end up reproducing when they got old enough. Language is another instinctual thing. Again, I will refer you to Stephen Pinker and his book The Language Instinct. (I refer to him a lot because the way he writes is easy for the layman reader. However, if you want heavy 'heady' stuff, I can give you some titles. Smile)

kleelof
Boogalicious wrote:
Why do guys feel the need to pretend to be gorgeous women in their display icons? 

Increase friend invites?

Boogalicious
kleelof wrote:
RG1951 wrote

[Just to put the cat among the pigeons - there is no satisfactory evidence that any creature, apart from Homo Sapiens, is capable of reasoning....]

[If a cat is chasing 2 mice, and the mice runs in to a hole...]

+1

Steven Jay Gould also wrote some very good books on the subject.

RG1951
kleelof wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I don't think you'd wanna teach a monkey to play. Everytime they made a good move they'd start screeching and jumping up & down and showing their yucky teeth....and maybe even moon u.

        Just to put the cat among the pigeons - there is no satisfactory evidence that any creature, apart from Homo Sapiens, is capable of reasoning. Some are capable of copying behaviour. Some are capable of a limited memory. All will act in their own interests and of their species instinctively. None, as far as has been seen, can calculate or reason.

If a cat is chasing 2 mice, and the mice runs in to a hole. Then one mouse runs out and escapes from the cat, the cat still knows there is 1 mouse left. This is an example of reasoning.

If a monkey climbs a tree to find fruit, and finds none, he knows to go look in another tree. This is an example of reasoning.

There is TONS AND TONS of research about other animals and their reasoning skills, and it is more than a well proven fact that animals have reasoning skills.

Now, if you want to say other animals do not have the ability to reason to the level of humans, I will agree with you 100%. Other animals cannot abstract to the point that humans can, therefore they lack the ability to reason to the levels that humans can.

If you want to deny that humans, in general, act in their bests interestes or without instict, I would have to disagree with you. Again, there is TONS AND TONS of research that shows a great deal of human activity is for their own interests, or, self-preservation. Even when the activities seem alturistic. Two great books to understand this are The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkns and Steven Pinker's How The Mind Works. Both of these books reference many studies that address this issue.

Although difficult to measure (Because humans have the ability to use reason above instinct), there are still many places instinct influences humans. For example, sex and reproduction. Despite what Christians would have us believe, sexual urges come from our nature, not from what we learn. If a human male and human female were raised from an early age without other humans around, they WOULD end up reproducing when they got old enough. Language is another instinctual thing. Again, I will refer you to Stephen Pinker and his book The Language Instinct. (I refer to him a lot because the way he writes is easy for the layman reader. However, if you want heavy 'heady' stuff, I can give you some titles. )

        I did not claim that humans do not act in their own interests or instinctively - clearly they do.

kleelof
RG1951 wrote:
I did not claim that humans do not act in their own interests or instinctively - clearly they do.

Yes, I see that now. My apologies.

DrFrank124c

Monkeys can, in fact, play chess. This can be proven, all you have to do is visit my chess club.  

Boogalicious
DrFrank124c wrote:

Monkeys can, in fact, play chess. This can be proven, all you have to do is visit my chess club.  

LaughingLaughing

DrSpudnik
RG1951 wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I don't think you'd wanna teach a monkey to play. Everytime they made a good move they'd start screeching and jumping up & down and showing their yucky teeth....and maybe even moon u.

        Just to put the cat among the pigeons - there is no satisfactory evidence that any creature, apart from Homo Sapiens, is capable of reasoning. Most are capable of copying behaviour. Some are capable of a limited memory. All will act in their own interests and of their species instinctively. None, as far as has been seen, can calculate or reason.

Not true. There are examples now of problem solving and learning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDntbGRPeEU

mike_tal

How has this not devolved into some racist sh_t about white people with pet monkeys?

PLAVIN81

Iwould doubt that chimpanzees could play chess They lack 100 per cent understsndingFrown

ConnorMacleod_151

I've played chess all my life...

.... so that means monkeys can too!

Stuff the lot of u!! Tongue Out

*this thread is a threat to my species*

ConnorMacleod_151

Erik (watching tv news):

I can't help thinking that somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man. Has to be.

If this is the best they've got around here in 6 months time we will be running this planet not just chess.com.

Eriks' Wife (in the kitchen):

You know what they say darling, baby, sweetheart.(yuk)...

.....Human see, Human do!

mike_tal

There can be only one font size

Jimmykay
DrSpudnik wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I don't think you'd wanna teach a monkey to play. Everytime they made a good move they'd start screeching and jumping up & down and showing their yucky teeth....and maybe even moon u.

        Just to put the cat among the pigeons - there is no satisfactory evidence that any creature, apart from Homo Sapiens, is capable of reasoning. Most are capable of copying behaviour. Some are capable of a limited memory. All will act in their own interests and of their species instinctively. None, as far as has been seen, can calculate or reason.

Not true. There are examples now of problem solving and learning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDntbGRPeEU

That is an amazing video showing a pideons ability to think. That being said, why didn't it just fly?

mike_tal

Cool