darthion wrote:
wait what
Do you have any thoughts on the game?
Can someone analyze this Carlsen - Aronian game?
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darthion wrote:
macer75 wrote:
darthion wrote:
wait what
Do you have any thoughts on the game?
Yes. What the f**k?
Thank you for your response. Would you like to explain why you have such a visceral reaction to a chess game?
seems like a typical boring Carlsen game to me tbh ^^
macer75 wrote:
The following is a blitz game between Magnus Carlsen, playing as white, and Levon Aronian, playing as black (unfortunately I cannot recall on what occasion they played it). Early in the game there seem to be some interesting developments, but by the end it eventually fizzles out into a draw - or at least that's my impression of the game. But of course I am no expert, so I would ask for some input from the rest of the chess.com community, which includes many people who are more well-versed in chess than I am. Is the game a potential hard-fought battle that never materialized, or is it simply a grandmaster draw through and through? Is there more to it than meets the eye?
Hello Macer.
This was a pretty bad game, indeed.
Both players played some very strange moves, so I suppose either the ambient was very noisy, or they had agreed in advance to a draw.
It is mostly draw throughout, but:
- white is won or has very big advantage after Aronian's Bf3 trade, white retains the bishop pair and can press hard, if he had played h2-h3. to avoid trading of his light-square bishop
- 15. Ba4 does not make any sense, does it?; conceding the bishop pair, obviously, Bd3 or Be2 retreat was much better and the natural move
That is why I say and repeat it solemnly here: playing blitz is good only for enjoyment, recreation. It creates some very bad quality games, even among the very top.
People criticise my 'Secret of Chess' book/thread, as I am leaning towards deep analysis, but it is easy to see I am right.
There is not a bigger satisfaction than a good, scientifically conducted game.
Pushing wood like in above game does not make any sense.
h4_explosive wrote:
seems like a typical boring Carlsen game to me tbh ^^
I don't think the Carlsen fans will be very happy to hear that :(
@ Lyudmil and Deirdre: Thank you both for your analysis! So it seems that people are leaning toward the view that the game is just another grandmaster draw between two of the top players in the world. I guess maybe I was just overthinking it...
You are welcome, yeah, this was very boring.
But those people, I mean, they play so many games at different time controls, how could they always achieve well?
I would not give those players more than 1300 elo, cumulatively. 
Feb 4, 2018
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macer75 wrote:
The following is a blitz game between Magnus Carlsen, playing as white, and Levon Aronian, playing as black (unfortunately I cannot recall on what occasion they played it). Early in the game there seem to be some interesting developments, but by the end it eventually fizzles out into a draw - or at least that's my impression of the game.
What "interesting developments" did you spot in this game? (I'm not being condescending—I'm genuinely curious.) To me, it looked like two passive players, both trying to avoid any positional imbalances.
Like the others here, I'm not convinced that this was a Carlsen-Aronian game (if it was, I'm left wondering what meds they were taking that day 
.) Usually their games are full of attacks and counterattacks, with unresolved tension points from both sides.
Feb 4, 2018
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Agreed, @SteamGear. I find it rather hard to believe that Carlsen would let a White game go like this, they matter very much to the super-GM community. The opening was rather odd, but White misplayed the early middlegame and found himself in a slightly worse position. However, as @DeirdreSkye wisely mentioned, when there is only one weakness it can typically not be won. A draw was the right result for that game, and I'm reasonably sure that if it was Carlsen and/or Aronian playing at least one of them felt fatigued that day.
I'll try to find the source for the game. It isn't on Chessbase, you say? You'd think those guys would try to be a bit more comprehensive...
Feb 4, 2018
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macer75 wrote:
I'll try to find the source for the game. It isn't on Chessbase, you say? You'd think those guys would try to be a bit more comprehensive...
Well, that was easy:
https://www.chess.com/explorer?moveList=d4+c6&ply=2&gameSource=other&gameType=all&color=white&username=macer75
https://www.chess.com/live/game/1243785067
Feb 4, 2018
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Guys, stop all this disrespect. Although Mr Macer75 is incredibly humble and doesn't like to boast, he is Magnus Carlsen's private coach and has access to non-published practice games.
Feb 4, 2018
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JamesColeman schreef:
Honestly, I find it impossible to believe that was a Carlsen-Aronian game, or even any GM game, even at blitz. I also can't find it on Chessbase... I agree with you it seems an amateur game to me.
Well, I guess those people were right:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/some-people-say-carlsen-plays-like-me-is-this-true
I think answering that question is above our pay grades. Even if you plug it into an engine, engines are notorious for mis-evaluating draws in the endgame.
clearly fake. I do not think that even Carlsen is good enough to have played this well. If you look at move 21, how could anyone but a computer resist taking the pawn in a blitz game?
The following is a blitz game between Magnus Carlsen, playing as white, and Levon Aronian, playing as black (unfortunately I cannot recall on what occasion they played it). Early in the game there seem to be some interesting developments, but by the end it eventually fizzles out into a draw - or at least that's my impression of the game. But of course I am no expert, so I would ask for some input from the rest of the chess.com community, which includes many people who are more well-versed in chess than I am. Is the game a potential hard-fought battle that never materialized, or is it simply a grandmaster draw through and through? Is there more to it than meets the eye?