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Persian please
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Just translated, via, the 'Google' {online}, translator - 'Iran's, inside.'
cheese made in Iran is___________?
...a byproduct of uranium enrichment? 
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Reminded me of panda cheese
https://www.chess.com/blog/tkbunny/recommendation-for-chesscom-sales-position
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Teichmann70 wrote:
Iran has the best young chess players in the world, some of them have become world champion! In a few years time iran will be number one! Well, chess was invented in Iran, some say India, but Indians have not invented any mind game in the world as they do not have a history of maths and science tradition but persians have invented algebra and geometry and algorithm! Some say as india was part of persian empire chess might have been invented there by persian mathematicians but i am not sure! Anyways, iranians have become a factory producing GM after GM which is a great contribution to chess development. Iranian top seed GM defeated Karpov a few years ago!
India doesn't have a history of maths and science??? not sure the facts back up that one....
However, i have looked at the list of top juniors recently and Iran did have 6-8 of the top 100. Quite a few more then i expected given population and prevalence of chess.
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Teichmann70 wrote:
What matters is iranian youth have won world championship. If iran had over one billion population like india and china it would be number one in chess too. As for USA, most of their best players are of russian origin and that very few that are indigenous have either german mum and dad like fischer or of italian parents like caruana! Russians are well ahead! America also spends millions of dollars on chess coaching and training to produce any good chess player and once they do so most of them happen to be of eastern bloc origin!
Hmm, that seemed more hostile than it needed to be...
congratulations to your U18 champion.
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Teichmann70 wrote:
What matters is iranian youth have won world championship. If iran had over one billion population like india and china it would be number one in chess too. As for USA, most of their best players are of russian origin and that very few that are indigenous have either german mum and dad like fischer or of italian parents like caruana! Russians are well ahead! America also spends millions of dollars on chess coaching and training to produce any good chess player and once they do so most of them happen to be of eastern bloc origin!
BTW, its difficult for anyone to be of "USA origin" considering the history of our country. Does this mean that only Native Americans are the only "americans"? Oh and I am sure Russia spends more money on coaching.
So a whole lot of history of chess - citing India as the place of origin - is dismissed because you have a hard-on for Iran?
Teichmann70 wrote:
...[India does] not have a history of maths and science tradition...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics
"Indian mathematics emerged in the Indian subcontinent from 1200 BCEuntil the end of the 18th century. In the classical period of Indian mathematics (400 CE to 1600 CE), important contributions were made by scholars like Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, Mahāvīra, Bhaskara II, Madhava of Sangamagrama and Nilakantha Somayaji. The decimal number system in worldwide use today was first recorded in Indian mathematics. Indian mathematicians made early contributions to the study of the concept of zero as a number, negative numbers, arithmetic, and algebra. In addition, trigonometry was further advanced in India, and, in particular, the modern definitions of sine and cosine were developed there. These mathematical concepts were transmitted to the Middle East, China, and Europe and led to further developments that now form the foundations of many areas of mathematics."
You obviously don't care, though. You seem to need to change clothes at the mere mention of Iran.
Teichmann70 wrote:
but Indians have not invented any mind game in the world as they do not have a history of maths and science tradition
questionable
"...but i am not sure!"
unquestionable
I don't know why the OP shifted the topic from chess to math, but I feel there's quite a lot of fuzzy thinking about the origin of chess.
quite alot has changed in 1500 years. Chess predates Iran.
at any rate, nobody knows exactly who created the first Chess-like game, and the origins of the royal game are shrouded in myth. the persian culture is often linked in the origins of the game
its not clear and I can't tell; but it seems like the caliphates of the persian empire held shatranj in deep regard and this early version of chess become the mark of civility and education.
it would hardly be fair to say that the caliphates were exclusively from Iran- as they seemed to unite most of the arabic world - you could say they were as much iraqi as from iran.
Then there is the obviously split over the rightful heritage of the calibrate; the split between the sunni versus shia.
I don't know whether those two different muslim factions treat the game differently but there seems to be a certain amount of disdain for chess with certain sunni clerics.
I've Heard that in iran it is seen in a different way. perhaps this explains the differences that while Iran seems to be finding new talent- the sunni nations of Saudia Arabia and Egypt are lagging behind.
that's the impression. and that would be more interesting to talk about that, than a concocted and obviously untrue argument alleging that chess was invented in Iran.
Teichmann70 wrote:
Typical Indian exaggeration! That reminds me of Indian Rambo and Indian Bruce Lee and overall Bollywood where every american film has its mock indian version. It was the arabs who introduced chess to the west! The arabs also introduced numbers and mathematics to the west. Civilisation started in Mesapotamia where Sumerians invented writing and maths. In high school, college and university we hear of Pythagoras, Descartes, Newton and Khayyam, I have never ever seen the name of any Indian mathematcian in any high school or college maths textbook. In addition in art and science I have never seen any indian name in textbooks, nor in literature, we hear of Virgil, Da Vinci, Shakespeare and Rumi. You can look on internet and find things to copy and paste here but that does not help you feel better. Facts are facts!
per wikipedia:
Chaturanga (Sanskrit: चतुरङ्ग; caturaṅga), catur, is an ancient Indian strategy game which is the common ancestor[citation needed] of the board games chess, shogi, sittuyin, makruk, xiangqi and janggi.
Chaturanga developed in the Gupta Empire, India around the 6th century AD. In the 7th century, it was adopted as shatranj in Sassanid Persia, which in turn was the form of chess brought to late-medieval Europe.
The exact rules of chaturanga are unknown. Chess historians suppose that the game had similar rules to those of its successor shatranj. In particular, there is uncertainty as to the moves of the Gaja (elephant), the precursor of the modern chess bishop.
are you claiming this is wrong? then what is the truth?? the Arabic world ADAPTED this early form of chess- so did the chinese...
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