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archakra89

The following position is asymmetric but leads to the same material for black and white in the 3 main lines. What does this say about chess? Can you think of a case in the universe where an asymmetric phenomenon leads to equality in some form? 

corum

Can you show the three main lines?

 

Bonsai_Dragon

Asymmetricality doesn't automatically equate into art.

archakra89

yes corum here are the three main lines 

first line:engine evaluation=5.80

1. Kd3 1... Bxd4 2. Rxd4 2... Kf7 3. Re43... Qd6+ 4. Kc4 4... Kf6 5. Re3 5... Kf56. Rh3 6... Ke4 7. Rh4+ 7... Kf5 8. Rh38... Qa6+ 9. Kc5 9... Qa5+ 10. Kc610... Qd2 11. Rh7 11... Ke6 12. Rb712... Qd5+ 13. Kb6 13... Kd6 14. Rh714... Qc5+ 15. Ka6

2nd line:engine evaluation=5.92

(1. Kf3 1... Bxd4 2. Rxd4 2... Kf7 3. Rc43... Qa6 4. Re4 4... Kf6 5. Ke35... Qa3+ 6. Kd4 6... Qd6+ 7. Kc37... Kf5 8. Rb4 8... Ke5 9. Rb5+ 9... Ke410. Rb4+ 10... Ke3 11. Rb3 11... Qc5+12. Kb2+ 12... Kd4 13. Rb7 13... Kc414. Ka2 14... Qe5 15. Rb2)

3rd line engine evaluation=5.8

1. Ke2 1... Bxd4 2. Rxd4 2... Kf7 3. Kd33... Ke6 4. Re4+ 4... Kf5 5. Rd45... Qa6+ 6. Ke3 6... Qc6 7. Kd27... Qg2+ 8. Kc3 8... Ke5 9. Rc49... Qd5 10. Kb4 10... Qd6+ 11. Ka5)

 

archakra89

@bonsai dragon, yeah its more about the asymmetry than the art some art can be asymmetric as well.

bbeltkyle89

wat?

archakra89
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archakra89

bump?

marianseether1

Chess isn't art, chess is chess, art is art.

vickalan

Some chess illustrations are good enough to be art I think:

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(by BattlechessGN18)

archakra89

im not talking about art

if you can have the same material advantage from a position of asymmetry then it has some implications. Namely, the fact that asymmetry in chess doesnt matter as it is transformed into symmetry. Also, it may mean that the choices you make are to a certain extend irrelevant. 

TH3_T4CT1C14N
The initial set up is symmetrical.
archakra89

what is the axis of symmetry?

archakra89

bump anyone want to contribute over the weekend?

Bonsai_Dragon

marianseether1 wrote:

Chess isn't art, chess is chess, art is art.

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