Chess.com needs a Classical rating

The Chess.com Rapid rating includes games played at Classical time controls (i.e., 60+ minutes each). This makes no sense - there needs to be a separate rating for Classical play. Any suggestions on how best to encourage Chess.com to make this change?

Probably best would be to go back in time 10 years, and have the people writing the original code do it in such a way that it's easier to expand and upgrade the site without endless issues and delays.

Just a guess

FIDE Laws of Chess:
"A.1 A ‘Rapidplay’ game is one where either all the moves must be made in a fixed time of at least
15 minutes but less than 60 minutes for each player; or the time allotted + 60 times any
increment is at least 15 minutes, but less than 60 minutes for each player."
https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf 
It is hard to play 60+ minutes online: straining to the eyes. Not many do this. Why a separate rating for something that is rare?

Barely anyone would play it so why bother

 

@erik has posted elsewhere that he likes the idea, they are looking into it, but the way the DB is set up, makes it very hard to do. I haven't seen additional commentary, but I think it's still being planned, just may not happen for a while.

Thanks for the comments everyone. I think more people would play longer games on Chess.com if there was a classical time control and those who find it too long for online chess could simply stick to speed chess. It would be fun to be able to track progress in classical chess and might reduce the over-emphasis on speed chess online. This would be good for our development as chess players and would be more inclusive of players who prefer longer time controls but find it difficult to incorporate rated, over-the-board chess into their lives. Players currently go to other chess apps for classical time controls and rating recognition so it would also be in the commercial interests of Chess.com to stand up a classical rating. So, is there really a downside to having a rating for classical chess on Chess.com? I don't think so - it would just make Chess.com more inclusive, diverse and fun. 

I could live with 30 minutes or more for each player being categorised as classical or, perhaps, being dual-rated classical and rapid (with 60min+ games counting against the classical rating only).

I think classical rating for 30+0 and above is needed. 10+0 and 30+0 shouldn't be in the same category imo. 

 

The starting rating isn't a major factor with Glicko and the rating deviation (RD). It doesn't take many games for a players to get to a roughly accurate rating.

Choosing your own rating is not the problem. I mean, it is better than GMs starting from 1 500 and novice players as well. In any case, after a 10-20 games, rating is fine. chess.com rapid rating is generally closer to real FIDE rating than at least one of the sites you've mentioned (where ratings are more inflated because everyone starts from 1 500).

I agree with you about the classical rating.  Personally, I play 45|45 or 60|0 rated games here almost exclusively. It doesn't make sense that I am playing in the same rating category as 10|0 players.

Hopefully the developers will be able to overcome problems with implementing new rating category, and eventually there will be a separate rating for classical chess (it is said previously that they are planning to do this at some point). It can only bring positive things.

i dont know if it is the “classical rating” that is the issue or the time controls themselves that are the issue

the issue for me is getting games themselves (especially via the app as there are even fewer choices for varied time controls than the browser)

i like to play 45/45 but it is difficult to play when irl issues happen

i would love a default rapid time control of 20-30 min with at least a 15 second increment

i have a lot of trouble in g 30 where i try to play as i would in classical time control and navigating the opening into a middlegame can often chew up my entire clock

in a 15/10 where i can get through opening “quickly” i find it easier to finish a game than g 30

so my personal online sweet spot is that g20-30 with increment

but i know that chess.com’s rapid popular games are “10 min”(this used to be my blitz,) 15/10, and g 30

i would go for anything that emphasizes a time control between 45/45 and g30 and if there is already a time control there make it accessible via the ios app

Yeah, you can't play 30|0 like it is a classical chess. You can easily get into time trouble if the game gets complicated and you are unsure on what to do next. Adding something like 20|15 and 30|20 would be nice as well.

It would be good to see longer games split out from Rapid into a classical rating. Lichess splits it out st 25 minutes. Would be good to see chess,com split games over 30 minutes as classical.

It would also be good to see more quick pair options for longer games with increment.

I’d love to see a classical rating here. I hope the site sets this up soon.

30-0 with its own rating range is good. Ideal, in fact.

They'd have to give a classical rating to everyone retroactively, and recalculate everyone's rapid rating, going all the way back. I expect logistics make it unlikely. There's about three billion games played every year (10M a day x 300 days (to make it easy)).

Just a thought, but wouldn't an easy solution be to change the title of Day chess to Classical chess, and then move the parameter to 1 hour?

No, correspondence is very different from classical. Classical should be longer time controls that currently fit under rapid.

I would love a 10 hour game, that doesn't time out and I can play on multiple devices. That I can dip into during the day. Perhaps with a 5 sec increment to avoid flag. 

I'll still won't take more than a couple of minutes to move, so it's more like blitz daily for me, personally. but it could certainly double up as classical.

Classical time rating - anything 60 or over, would be really great. Also easy options for 90/30 for the first 40 moves then 30/30 for the rest of the game like a FIDE standard game. It may not be used by a high percentage of people - but there would still be plenty who would out of chess.coms 75 million users.