Chess.com Ratings are a JOKE

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ninjaswat

Brilliant moves are now whenever you leave a piece en prise because there is another move. The quality of such a move and your rating depends on whether it is brilliant or not.

AlexiZalman
David wrote:

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Leagues have encouraged people to stick with the one account and play more games with it, so the ratings of those folks in the higher leagues should be super trustworthy.

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It would be great if Chess.com offered seek filters for these attributes, as that'd knock out the vast majority of new accounts and potential cheaters.

Very good points. All it would take is for the auto-game-selection to filter only within the appropriate league, i.e. if you're Wooden you play only Woodies of similar ELO rating etc. There would be no need to allow players to manually filter.

I never saw the point of the League System when it was introduced but can see it as a measure to ELO trust worthiness.  If Chess.com are doing or will do as I have suggested above, clearly this would be a very effective counter-measure against some player behaviours, i.e. you would be matched with people of a similar playing activity as well as ELO rating.   

QUEYROYG

i agree

 

David
CooloutAC wrote:
David wrote:

I have learned in this thread that @kowarenai is a great example of how the rating system works - how he reached a reasonably accurate rating after a few days and much less than the 200 people who are in denial of the facts claim. It doesn't matter where people start with their rating: once they've played a few games, it will get to a level that reflects reasonably accurately where they sit relative to others in the same rating pool.

It seems you are the one thats in denial.  It took him 200 games and two weeks,  including at one point only 4 losses in 100 games.   He is a great example to expose the people who are in denial and in your case,  also delusional.

@PawnTsunami has already comprehensively and patiently detailed how you are wrong. The 200 games was across different time controls, and some of those 4 losses were to lower rated players and therefore had a more substantial impact on his rating. The facts simply don't fit your narrative, no matter how hard you try - facts don't work that way.

BlackKaweah
“You are what your rating says you are.”
David

I'm always amazed that Chess.com tolerates folks like @CooloutAC - I'm pretty sure that if someone spoke similary about Lichess in the Lichess forums (such as they are), they'd be summarily booted. I guess that's why even Lichess fans hang out in the Chess.com forums rather than hanging out in the Lichess ones.

David
BlackKaweah wrote:
“You are what your rating says you are.”

After playing enough games for your rating to be accurate - which is way less than 200 and probably more like 20.

Mike_Kalish

I have to admit.... I don't understand CooloutAC. Not that I've put a lot of effort into it, but it doesn't take much effort to observe that every single conversation he's involved in is an argument and he ends up telling everyone they are wrong, dishonest, in denial, and/ or they have a superiority / inferiority complex. He NEVER has what I would call a normal and friendly conversation.  It's just weird.....and abnormal. 

Mike_Kalish
David wrote:
BlackKaweah wrote:
“You are what your rating says you are.”

After playing enough games for your rating to be accurate - which is way less than 200 and probably more like 20.

I agree. I have felt my rating has been accurate through all (almost) 400 of my games and when I play someone with a similar rating, it's usually a close game that could go either way.

PsychoticGrandmaster
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:

I Can beat the 1600 chess bot every other round. And do 2100 rated puzzles. 

That's about right for 1100 lol.

Puzzles and bots are massively overrated.

How are bots massively overrated when they are literally programmed to reflect a certain skill level? 

Because chess.com is dumb as hell.

(But really, that's a good question... it's been asked before... no idea why chess.com chooses to do this)

I think I will try lichess. See what my rating is there and report back to this thread. 

The truth is Lichess rating is inflated and that is why people like it

PsychoticGrandmaster
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:

I Can beat the 1600 chess bot every other round. And do 2100 rated puzzles. 

That's about right for 1100 lol.

Puzzles and bots are massively overrated.

How are bots massively overrated when they are literally programmed to reflect a certain skill level? 

Because chess.com is dumb as hell.

(But really, that's a good question... it's been asked before... no idea why chess.com chooses to do this)

I think I will try lichess. See what my rating is there and report back to this thread. 

The truth is Lichess rating is inflated and that is why people like it


I think they like it because they take fair play and competitive matches more seriously,  therefore they are more consistent.  Also its less laggy when playing on my tablet.

At the same time you are like 800, and I understand back in the day when I was 1200 on chess.com I went to play on lichess and was happy being a 1900 there LOL and then improved and went to 2200 Classical on lichess then decided to come back and play on chess.com coz I felt like a sore loser just stopping chess.com for rating and now I am like almost 2000, what I mean is that everyone has there times and you some day may like chess.com better too. Although I have nothing against lichess I actually like it better for learning because of the study feature on it's site.

PsychoticGrandmaster
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:

I Can beat the 1600 chess bot every other round. And do 2100 rated puzzles. 

That's about right for 1100 lol.

Puzzles and bots are massively overrated.

How are bots massively overrated when they are literally programmed to reflect a certain skill level? 

Because chess.com is dumb as hell.

(But really, that's a good question... it's been asked before... no idea why chess.com chooses to do this)

I think I will try lichess. See what my rating is there and report back to this thread. 

The truth is Lichess rating is inflated and that is why people like it


I think they like it because they take fair play and competitive matches more seriously,  therefore they are more consistent.  Also its less laggy when playing on my tablet.

At the same time you are like 800, and I understand back in the day when I was 1200 on chess.com I went to play on lichess and was happy being a 1900 there LOL and then improved and went to 2200 Classical on lichess then decided to come back and play on chess.com coz I felt like a sore loser just stopping chess.com for rating and now I am like almost 2000, what I mean is that everyone has there times and you some day may like chess.com better too. Although I have nothing against lichess I actually like it better for learning because of the study feature on it's site.

 

You can think it is the numerical value of my rating number that makes me "feel better"  if that helps you feel better when you sleep at night.   But i personally understand that a rating is just to help ensure competitive matchups and a fair ranking and only applicable to the playerbase it represents.   

The truth is that when i was rated 400 on chess.com  the skill ratings were all over the place, and the matchups never felt consistent so I felt like i hit an fabricated wall.    The only time I feel that way on lichess is when I see a questionmarked provisional account.   And that is usually only in classical matches since there is way less players there and I am closer to 1500 rating.    But as we can see even 1500 on lichess is not as hard a a wall like chess.com's 400,800,1200,1400, and 1800 walls.

ON chess.com it is way more common at all rating levels in all time formats and its makes matches less competitive.   

I guess I'm a competitive player,  always have been.   But to you that concept probably also does not compute,  because to most younger generation gamers online competitive means stomping noobs who shout "git gud".   And only pro players are competitive in their minds.     But the true definition of competitive,  like in real life,  is one who wants competitive matches.   At what rating level is irrelevant.

too much for me to read lol, what is your OTB uscf rating or FIDE if you have one?

PsychoticGrandmaster
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:

I Can beat the 1600 chess bot every other round. And do 2100 rated puzzles. 

That's about right for 1100 lol.

Puzzles and bots are massively overrated.

How are bots massively overrated when they are literally programmed to reflect a certain skill level? 

Because chess.com is dumb as hell.

(But really, that's a good question... it's been asked before... no idea why chess.com chooses to do this)

I think I will try lichess. See what my rating is there and report back to this thread. 

The truth is Lichess rating is inflated and that is why people like it


I think they like it because they take fair play and competitive matches more seriously,  therefore they are more consistent.  Also its less laggy when playing on my tablet.

At the same time you are like 800, and I understand back in the day when I was 1200 on chess.com I went to play on lichess and was happy being a 1900 there LOL and then improved and went to 2200 Classical on lichess then decided to come back and play on chess.com coz I felt like a sore loser just stopping chess.com for rating and now I am like almost 2000, what I mean is that everyone has there times and you some day may like chess.com better too. Although I have nothing against lichess I actually like it better for learning because of the study feature on it's site.

 

You can think it is the numerical value of my rating number that makes me "feel better"  if that helps you feel better when you sleep at night.   But i personally understand that a rating is just to help ensure competitive matchups and a fair ranking and only applicable to the playerbase it represents.   

The truth is that when i was rated 400 on chess.com  the skill ratings were all over the place, and the matchups never felt consistent so I felt like i hit an fabricated wall.    The only time I feel that way on lichess is when I see a questionmarked provisional account.   And that is usually only in classical matches since there is way less players there and I am closer to 1500 rating.    But as we can see even 1500 on lichess is not as hard a a wall like chess.com's 400,800,1200,1400, and 1800 walls.

ON chess.com it is way more common at all rating levels in all time formats and its makes matches less competitive.   

I guess I'm a competitive player,  always have been.   But to you that concept probably also does not compute,  because to most younger generation gamers online competitive means stomping noobs who shout "git gud".   And only pro players are competitive in their minds.     But the true definition of competitive,  like in real life,  is one who wants competitive matches.   At what rating level is irrelevant.

too much for me to read lol, what is your OTB uscf rating or FIDE if you have one?


Irrelevant.  And similar to how people resort to correcting ones grammar in online debates.  You trying to discredit me based on my rating,  means you have no argument and concede.

By asking me my OTB rating,  which has no correlation to a chess.com rating,  you are showing you have no concept of sports or competitiveness.

Sorry if you felt like that I was just really asking I didn't mean it in such a horrible way maybe the time I said made it sound like that I am very sorry I am really just asking

PsychoticGrandmaster
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:

I Can beat the 1600 chess bot every other round. And do 2100 rated puzzles. 

That's about right for 1100 lol.

Puzzles and bots are massively overrated.

How are bots massively overrated when they are literally programmed to reflect a certain skill level? 

Because chess.com is dumb as hell.

(But really, that's a good question... it's been asked before... no idea why chess.com chooses to do this)

I think I will try lichess. See what my rating is there and report back to this thread. 

The truth is Lichess rating is inflated and that is why people like it


I think they like it because they take fair play and competitive matches more seriously,  therefore they are more consistent.  Also its less laggy when playing on my tablet.

At the same time you are like 800, and I understand back in the day when I was 1200 on chess.com I went to play on lichess and was happy being a 1900 there LOL and then improved and went to 2200 Classical on lichess then decided to come back and play on chess.com coz I felt like a sore loser just stopping chess.com for rating and now I am like almost 2000, what I mean is that everyone has there times and you some day may like chess.com better too. Although I have nothing against lichess I actually like it better for learning because of the study feature on it's site.

 

You can think it is the numerical value of my rating number that makes me "feel better"  if that helps you feel better when you sleep at night.   But i personally understand that a rating is just to help ensure competitive matchups and a fair ranking and only applicable to the playerbase it represents.   

The truth is that when i was rated 400 on chess.com  the skill ratings were all over the place, and the matchups never felt consistent so I felt like i hit an fabricated wall.    The only time I feel that way on lichess is when I see a questionmarked provisional account.   And that is usually only in classical matches since there is way less players there and I am closer to 1500 rating.    But as we can see even 1500 on lichess is not as hard a a wall like chess.com's 400,800,1200,1400, and 1800 walls.

ON chess.com it is way more common at all rating levels in all time formats and its makes matches less competitive.   

I guess I'm a competitive player,  always have been.   But to you that concept probably also does not compute,  because to most younger generation gamers online competitive means stomping noobs who shout "git gud".   And only pro players are competitive in their minds.     But the true definition of competitive,  like in real life,  is one who wants competitive matches.   At what rating level is irrelevant.

too much for me to read lol, what is your OTB uscf rating or FIDE if you have one?


Irrelevant.  And similar to how people resort to correcting ones grammar in online debates.  You trying to discredit me based on my rating,  means you have no argument and concede.

By asking me my OTB rating,  which has no correlation to a chess.com rating,  you are showing you have no concept of sports or competitiveness.

Also, don't you dare call me uncompetitive, you should be shamed to say that I have spent the last 1 year playing hours a day and studying this game trying to become good at it and I still do that till today so ... 

PsychoticGrandmaster
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
UnSospiroChess wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:
nMsALpg wrote:
TheBullyMaguire wrote:

I Can beat the 1600 chess bot every other round. And do 2100 rated puzzles. 

That's about right for 1100 lol.

Puzzles and bots are massively overrated.

How are bots massively overrated when they are literally programmed to reflect a certain skill level? 

Because chess.com is dumb as hell.

(But really, that's a good question... it's been asked before... no idea why chess.com chooses to do this)

I think I will try lichess. See what my rating is there and report back to this thread. 

The truth is Lichess rating is inflated and that is why people like it


I think they like it because they take fair play and competitive matches more seriously,  therefore they are more consistent.  Also its less laggy when playing on my tablet.

At the same time you are like 800, and I understand back in the day when I was 1200 on chess.com I went to play on lichess and was happy being a 1900 there LOL and then improved and went to 2200 Classical on lichess then decided to come back and play on chess.com coz I felt like a sore loser just stopping chess.com for rating and now I am like almost 2000, what I mean is that everyone has there times and you some day may like chess.com better too. Although I have nothing against lichess I actually like it better for learning because of the study feature on it's site.

 

You can think it is the numerical value of my rating number that makes me "feel better"  if that helps you feel better when you sleep at night.   But i personally understand that a rating is just to help ensure competitive matchups and a fair ranking and only applicable to the playerbase it represents.   

The truth is that when i was rated 400 on chess.com  the skill ratings were all over the place, and the matchups never felt consistent so I felt like i hit an fabricated wall.    The only time I feel that way on lichess is when I see a questionmarked provisional account.   And that is usually only in classical matches since there is way less players there and I am closer to 1500 rating.    But as we can see even 1500 on lichess is not as hard a a wall like chess.com's 400,800,1200,1400, and 1800 walls.

ON chess.com it is way more common at all rating levels in all time formats and its makes matches less competitive.   

I guess I'm a competitive player,  always have been.   But to you that concept probably also does not compute,  because to most younger generation gamers online competitive means stomping noobs who shout "git gud".   And only pro players are competitive in their minds.     But the true definition of competitive,  like in real life,  is one who wants competitive matches.   At what rating level is irrelevant.

too much for me to read lol, what is your OTB uscf rating or FIDE if you have one?


Irrelevant.  And similar to how people resort to correcting ones grammar in online debates.  You trying to discredit me based on my rating,  means you have no argument and concede.

By asking me my OTB rating,  which has no correlation to a chess.com rating,  you are showing you have no concept of sports or competitiveness.

Also, don't you dare call me uncompetitive, you should be shamed to say that I have spent the last 1 year playing hours a day and studying this game trying to become good at it and I still do that till today so ... 


Again you show you have no sense of competitiveness.  That doesn't mean you are competitive.   Again,  being competitive means you want competitive matches,  period.  And ratings should not matter to you unless you are looking to play against someone equal or slightly better then you for a competitive match.

Lol I could spend my whole life fighting with people like you and you no what, you never change! There is actually a word for that it is called "dogma". And you have dogma, so see ya later! My goal is to tell you to not get so mean about this silly conversation and tell mean things when you have no idea how much effort that one puts into it. You must have put in lots of effort too, so that is why I don't tell these weird comments to you too. See I may be "uncompetitive" in your opinion but keep that to yourself.

Mike_Kalish
UnSospiroChess wrote:
 

Lol I could spend my whole life fighting with people like you 

You just got CooloutAC sexually aroused.  

cloud_town

chill

and put that castiel meme away :v

learningthemoves

Here's some food for thought. 

 

Many stronger rated players tell you to play stronger opponents to get better,

but many lower rated players don't like the ego beatings they can take at a higher level, even though it can help them improve.

You can do the Glicko math and say, "If I raise the opponent rating strength a couple hundred points in the settings,

I might lose a couple more every ten games but I'll gain more rating points as long as I

win at least x number of games for every ten played."

Then you don't focus so much on winning every game as long as you reach your next rating milestone. 

So maybe you need to win 8 of every 10 you play at your own rating level to raise your rating 50 points, but only 6 of every 10 against players rated 200 points higher than you to gain that same 50 in net profit.

With the former, you can stay down in that level for a long time losing games due to simple mistakes and not really make much progress.

With the latter, (playing against stronger opponents) you gain the points and the added benefit of what you learn from the experience of playing against tougher competition. 

Something to think about, no?

 

 

PawnTsunami
learningthemoves wrote:

Here's some food for thought. 

 

Many stronger rated players tell you to play stronger opponents to get better,

but many lower rated players don't like the ego beatings they can take at a higher level, even though it can help them improve.

You can do the Glicko math and say, "If I raise the opponent rating strength a couple hundred points in the settings,

I might lose a couple more every ten games but I'll gain more rating points as long as I

win at least x number of games for every ten played. 

Then you don't focus so much on winning every game as long as you reach your next rating milestone. 

So maybe you need to win 8 of every 10 you play at your own rating level to raise your rating 50 points, but only 6 of every 10 against players rated 200 points higher than you to gain that same 50 in net profit.

With the former, you can stay down in that level for a long time losing games due to simple mistakes and not really make much progress.

With the latter, (playing against stronger opponents) you gain the points and the added benefit of what yo learn from the experience of playing against tougher competition. 

Something to think about, no?

 

 

Sshhh!  Don't tell them all of our secrets!

learningthemoves

PawnTsunami wrote: "Sshhh!  Don't tell them all of our secrets!"

^ (Right you are.)

Everyone just disregard my earlier post!

Happy chess everyone.