Chess is dead, thanks computers

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@sawdof

18,9 is the revaluation coefficient for ITALY, where I live. 7.73 is the revaluation coefficient for the USA. As far as I know Bobby Fischer could decide in 1972 to live in Switzerland, which had an inflation rate very much lower than the USA.

However, you are ridicolus still, because the prize fund in 1972 was 250,000 USD (they paid in pound sterling), and 250,000 x 7,73 = 1,932,500 USD, which is still an incredibly high prize fund. for those years, and much superior to many world matches after 2000. Nobody in 1972 could predict that Fischer could manage to get a 250,000 USD prize fund.

Only an ignorant does not understand how difficult was at the beginning of 1970s to get high prize funds for chess.

Finally, you are two times RIDICOLUS, because you say nothing about the prize fund of 5 MILLION USD of 1992, in the second match Fischer - Spassky.

Even without any revaluation, no world match after 1992 could benefit from such a prize fund.

YOU ARE RIDICOLOUS 5 MILLION USD PRIZE FUND FISCHER-SPASSKY 1992

YOU ARE RIDICOLOUS 5 MILLION USD PRIZE FUND FISCHER - SPASSKY 1992

YOU ARE RIDICOLUS 5 MILLION USD PRIZE FUND FISCHER - SPASSKY 1992

And you said nothing about the tournaments that are today at risk of death: Biel, Cappelle La Grande, Aeroflot, etc. etc.

Please, read a book and be less ignorant, instead of wasting your time on socials,

this is the crux of the issue: strong engines are like a 'Torch' showing us the path forward to a deeper understanding of the labyrinth & actually, they serve a valuable purpose in clarifying our evaluation of opening theory on the whole & (as one example) think how inspirational it has been to the top GMs to see how Alpha Zero threw h-pawns down the board.

besides, there are 121 million variations by the third move... opening memorization will only get you so far until the pure skills of planning, middlegame creativity & endgame knowledge become far more important.

also, magnus just defeated alireza tactically in the esports world cup, which is exactly how the best computers destroy us & where the most room for improvement lies... in my opinion, chess is really 100% tactics; it's just that 10% of them are too far down the road to see & so we call those 'strategies' instead. 😆

@ sawdof

You wrote:

"Even after adjusting for inflation, that should be about thrice."

Thrice ?????

Thrice???????

Thrice????????????

In 53 years!!!

RIDICOLOUS!!!!

@technical knockout

Sorry, You totally missed the point too.

We are not discussing on players who are still playing chess, for many reasons.

We are discussing on those who are not interested in a game in which engines after 1997 have totally outplayed human players.

Why an editor of magazines, newspapers, TV, should be interested in a game where even the last patzer can take an engine, and show the mistakes of Carlsen, Ding, Caruana, Nakamura, in a few seconds???

Why should a young boy devote time to a game that nobody is talking of?

Why chess instead of football, baseball, basket, athletics, swim, etc., that any time is being shown in TV????

Chess nowadays is way more popular than it was in 1997, and it’s not even close. Computers have done quite the job “killing” this game indeed! The invention of the elo bar enabled millions of people to spectate top-level play, even if they don’t really know what’s going on.

@ Holograph Wars

You are just spreading FAKE NEWS

A popular sport has always mediatic visibility, and it is shown in TV, and in newspapers, magazines.

Nobody is talking about chess in TV, magazines, newspapers, and there is no money for tournaments as in 1980s, 1990s

A poll among casual people in the streets proved that nobody knew who was Magnus Carlsen. On the contrary everybody knew in 1970s and 1980s who were Bobby Fischer, Boris Spassky, Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov.

Chess is dead. Why don't you write those words: "chess is dead" on Google, you may find dozens of websites that confirm this.

Chess has always been a niche activity that attracts certain individuals and repels others. Those who gravitate toward it usually find themselves enthralled by the complexity and the logic of the game. Those who stay away from it usually dislike it for those very same reasons.

I can't speak for others, but to me, the rise of engines has helped me to better understand the game. I don't view them as competition - I view them as learning tools, to help make the game more accessible and less bewildering.

Chess ain't all that's gonna be dead, thanks ai.

Well... I thought that was the whole point of the fun in chess.
To be riding atop of giant's shoulders, to feel that moment when you refute a line your oponent has struggled with that particular game. To pull off a tactic you had seen an engine or higher rated player use..
Best thing is, we are all, collectively, part of the growth of the game of chess, be it via the advancements within the Analysis, viewing those high-stakes games masters play...
I find it to be the opposite ! It's giving us all an equal chance to succeed, by only requiring online connection..

Chess and other things maybe doomed due to AI? Just like puntaarenas2023’s comment thread would be without AI whispering sweet nothings into his/her ear.

1) Chess does receive quite a lot of mainstream news attention - the Hans Niemann situation was very mainstream news to say the least, and WCC viewership is higher this decade than ever before

2) The Soviet government literally subsidized the game as a whole back in the 80s, very unfair comparison, and even now elite level prize pools are quite up there

3) Not sure what poll you’re using but I swear lots of casuals know the name Magnus Carlsen

with some good luck, they may only enslave us. 😆

@ Holograph Wars

You're just KIDDING yourself. Chess has no media appeal, that's the truth.

It is estimated that soccer amateur players are 250 million worldwide.

Amateur chess players, having a FIDE rating, are just 300,000, namely 833 times less than soccer players. Everybody knows soccer players like Mbappè, Messi, Ronaldo, Yamal, etc. because every day you can see them in TV. Nobody can watch Carlsen, Nakamura, Caruana, Nepo, Gukesh in TV...

chess is totally dead? Thats why Twitch streams are pulling millions, Chess.com’s servers are begging for mercy and Magnus Carlsen’s basically the Elon Musk of chess.

i bet far more than 300k have a national or no rating: not many people have the time or money to travel internationally for chess, especially amateurs;

also, what about the 220 million players here?

call me on Whatsapp one more f**king time and you'll be going nee naw nee naw to your f**king deathbed. I will also happily sell your organs and make enough money just to piss you off. I know where you reside, buddy. Lock your doors.