HunterAlexanderLaurence18 wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
you cant say one is smarter than the other, but checkers definitely has a chance bc of the recent chess boom lmao
Bro, are you OK?
Checkers has only pawns
Chess Players vs. Checker Players
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OranegJuice wrote:
Yorygog wrote:
Do they have engines in checkers so that you can cheat?
I believe checkers has been fully solved by computers.
There should be Checkers.com then only Chess.com
Lol
asto0237 wrote:
OranegJuice wrote:
Yorygog wrote:
Do they have engines in checkers so that you can cheat?
I believe checkers has been fully solved by computers.
There should be Checkers.com then only Chess.com
Agreed
asto0237 wrote:
OranegJuice wrote:
Yorygog wrote:
Do they have engines in checkers so that you can cheat?
I believe checkers has been fully solved by computers.
There should be Checkers.com then only Chess.com
There is already a checkers.com
HunterAlexanderLaurence18 wrote:
asto0237 wrote:
OranegJuice wrote:
Yorygog wrote:
Do they have engines in checkers so that you can cheat?
I believe checkers has been fully solved by computers.
There should be Checkers.com then only Chess.com
There is already a checkers.com
Yes, and the name was missused.
Chess is an archaic word for check, so checkers becomes chessers.
Mar 27, 2023
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#69
DejaDeJugarBlitz skrev:
Anyway a correct question would be that it helps you develop more intelligence from one game or another. Objectively the smartest person will always be smarter no matter if they play checkers or chess or even if they play LoL which could make you dumber.
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The most complex board games are so complex that all of them without exception help to develop high levels of intelligence regardless of whether one is more complex than the other, this is what happens if you compare chess, go or shoji (or Japanese chess). ; obviously between the three of them, chess is less complex, but a professional go player doesn't have to be more intelligent than a professional chess player; any of the professional players at these table games will be much better than average if he spends some time on the other two games.
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Too bad that far transfer is highly questionable ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5724589/ ) and if we are talking about general cognitive improvements that comes from learning new things, it is questionable if it is better to spend all your time on one complex activity instead of many "simpler" activities in new domains of knowledge.
Sure, methods for learning and improving in chess ( learn new concepts, test them in controlled conditions like puzzles, try them out in the open, collect feedback from that attempt and try improve open it ) could be a good approach but you can learn same thing after two - three courses in programing with scrum/lean and general development methodology.
Checkers is a fun and exciting game to play and far easier to master than chess. Chess on the other hand requires more in depth learning of the strategies and tactics required to achieve victory especially against a well experienced player.
Mar 27, 2023
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#71
MelvinGarvey skrev:
MagnusCarlson202020212022 a écrit :
Anyone that plays checkers is so annoying is thinks their smart but their not.
You may think that, but saying it by using "their" (which is like "my" or "your") in place of "They're" (short for "they are") makes one look ridiculous. Cos it's not bright a confusion.
I mean, how long you guys, obviously still struggling with the most basic things of language, will find yourself any qualified judges of anyone's intelligence? Huh? If I was you, I would feel soooo stupid and ashamed of myself for being such a turd.
It is... "interesting", to put it mildly, how many kids with a flag which indicate that their native language should be english have trouble with what should be pretty simple grammatical concepts.
Maybe having forums and chat as their many source for reading and writing isn't as good as one would think. And maybe greatness of chess doesn't offset that effect.
MagnusCarlson202020212022 wrote:
Anyone that plays checkers is so annoying is thinks their smart but their not.
dont you play chess?
icedchaiplays wrote:
MagnusCarlson202020212022 wrote:
Anyone that plays checkers is so annoying is thinks their smart but their not.
dont you play chess?
lol
Reed53809 wrote:
Checkers is a fun and exciting game to play and far easier to master than chess. Chess on the other hand requires more in depth learning of the strategies and tactics required to achieve victory especially against a well experienced player.
This is how I knew you don’t know the quality of chess checkers is more boring than chess. First off checkers has been sold so many years now another thing is that you’re forced to take anything that you can which is quite frankly stupid.
DejaDeJugarBlitz escribió:
PlayByDay escribió:
DejaDeJugarBlitz skrev:
Anyway a correct question would be that it helps you develop more intelligence from one game or another. Objectively the smartest person will always be smarter no matter if they play checkers or chess or even if they play LoL which could make you dumber.
...
The most complex board games are so complex that all of them without exception help to develop high levels of intelligence regardless of whether one is more complex than the other, this is what happens if you compare chess, go or shoji (or Japanese chess). ; obviously between the three of them, chess is less complex, but a professional go player doesn't have to be more intelligent than a professional chess player; any of the professional players at these table games will be much better than average if he spends some time on the other two games.
...
Too bad that far transfer is highly questionable ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5724589/ ) and if we are talking about general cognitive improvements that comes from learning new things, it is questionable if it is better to spend all your time on one complex activity instead of many "simpler" activities in new domains of knowledge.
Sure, methods for learning and improving in chess ( learn new concepts, test them in controlled conditions like puzzles, try them out in the open, collect feedback from that attempt and try improve open it ) could be a good approach but you can learn same thing after two - three courses in programing with scrum/lean and general development methodology.
Your comparison with the far transfer is exaggerated, you would first have to show that going from chess to go would be a far transfer, when in fact it is not. Both in go and in shogi and chess, there is tactics, you have to assimilate strategic ideas and you have to resort to the calculation of variants. I don't see far transfer anywhere here.
PlayByDay escribió:
Too bad that far transfer is highly questionable ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5724589/ ) and if we are talking about general cognitive improvements that comes from learning new things, it is questionable if it is better to spend all your time on one complex activity instead of many "simpler" activities in new domains of knowledge.
Sure, methods for learning and improving in chess ( learn new concepts, test them in controlled conditions like puzzles, try them out in the open, collect feedback from that attempt and try improve open it ) could be a good approach but you can learn same thing after two - three courses in programing with scrum/lean and general development methodology.
Chess improves specific cognitive abilities, but there won't be a direct transfer of abilities in things you don't put into practice. It is absurd to look for a demonstration of knowledge transfer in complex tasks and compare that with simpler tasks like cooking or driving a car. Obviously any complex mental exercise you put in to will help you improve your intelligence, but unfortunately people want to generalize and assume that anyone who plays chess for the sake of playing it will get smarter.
Can you compare all the effort a GM put into dominating the game to the little or no effort a 1000 elo player put in?
Programming is also a lot of mental exercise if you work hard to be a very good programmer, it is also comparable to learning another language and learning languages is also good for improving intelligence. I don't see how saying that programming also teaches you things minimizes chess, a casual player won't spend as much time on chess, so he could learn other things if he wants to.
In any case, any discipline that has to do with using your brain, if you don't work hard at it, it won't make you very smart, it will increase your intelligence at least a little bit because you'll learn new things, but it won't be significant if you don't put in a real effort.
DejaDeJugarBlitz wrote:
PlayByDay escribió:
Too bad that far transfer is highly questionable ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5724589/ ) and if we are talking about general cognitive improvements that comes from learning new things, it is questionable if it is better to spend all your time on one complex activity instead of many "simpler" activities in new domains of knowledge.
Sure, methods for learning and improving in chess ( learn new concepts, test them in controlled conditions like puzzles, try them out in the open, collect feedback from that attempt and try improve open it ) could be a good approach but you can learn same thing after two - three courses in programing with scrum/lean and general development methodology.
Chess improves specific cognitive abilities, but there won't be a direct transfer of abilities in things you don't put into practice. It is absurd to look for a demonstration of knowledge transfer in complex tasks and compare that with simpler tasks like cooking or driving a car. Obviously any complex mental exercise you put in to will help you improve your intelligence, but unfortunately people want to generalize and assume that anyone who plays chess for the sake of playing it will get smarter.
Can you compare all the effort a GM put into dominating the game to the little or no effort a 1000 elo player put in?
Programming is also a lot of mental exercise if you work hard to be a very good programmer, it is also comparable to learning another language and learning languages is also good for improving intelligence. I don't see how saying that programming also teaches you things minimizes chess, a casual player won't spend as much time on chess, so he could learn other things if he wants to.
In any case, any discipline that has to do with using your brain, if you don't work hard at it, it won't make you very smart, it will increase your intelligence at least a little bit because you'll learn new things, but it won't be significant if you don't put in a real effort.
nice
Mar 28, 2023
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#78
DejaDeJugarBlitz skrev:
PlayByDay escribió:
Too bad that far transfer is highly questionable ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5724589/ ) and if we are talking about general cognitive improvements that comes from learning new things, it is questionable if it is better to spend all your time on one complex activity instead of many "simpler" activities in new domains of knowledge.
Sure, methods for learning and improving in chess ( learn new concepts, test them in controlled conditions like puzzles, try them out in the open, collect feedback from that attempt and try improve open it ) could be a good approach but you can learn same thing after two - three courses in programing with scrum/lean and general development methodology.
Chess improves specific cognitive abilities, but there won't be a direct transfer of abilities in things you don't put into practice. It is absurd to look for a demonstration of knowledge transfer in complex tasks and compare that with simpler tasks like cooking or driving a car. Obviously any complex mental exercise you put in to will help you improve your intelligence, but unfortunately people want to generalize and assume that anyone who plays chess for the sake of playing it will get smarter.
Can you compare all the effort a GM put into dominating the game to the little or no effort a 1000 elo player put in?
Programming is also a lot of mental exercise if you work hard to be a very good programmer, it is also comparable to learning another language and learning languages is also good for improving intelligence. I don't see how saying that programming also teaches you things minimizes chess, a casual player won't spend as much time on chess, so he could learn other things if he wants to.
In any case, any discipline that has to do with using your brain, if you don't work hard at it, it won't make you very smart, it will increase your intelligence at least a little bit because you'll learn new things, but it won't be significant if you don't put in a real effort.
"Chess improves specific cognitive abilities", yeah that's the far transfer that the article talked about and that is questionable if it really does beyond neurogenesis that happens when you learn new things. So the idea that chess would make someone smarter is unproven to begin with, which in the context of this thread make it even likely that playing chess instead of checkers would have any real difference.
And as someone who does programming, I can tell that one doesn't need to "work hard" to have good results from programming. Continues, light daily coding > working really hard for a short period of time. I mentioned programming as some activity which teach problem solving skills better without having to put in "GM" hours of study.
Mar 28, 2023
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#79
Yorygog wrote:
Do they have engines in checkers so that you can cheat?
Yep.
"Check" this out.
heee heee
Chess Players, Obviously.
Yes, of course