No. Healing with your mind would be impossible. They'd finish up with leprosy.
Chess will never be solved, here's why
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Optimissed wrote:
Very good but I suggest we leave it to the expert, who knows all about its non-existence.
Your ploy to get me to try to take a stand on something you know you can cast doubt on endlessly is noted, but I don't have time to waste teaching you why "mind over matter" is not possible for you.
You'll have to settle for all the other times I've blown your arguments out of the water.
Optimissed wrote:
The "in your mind" version or the real one? You couldn't blow a gnat out of the water.
You might be hard-pressed to find someone who can blow a gnat out of the...water? 
You are mixing your metaphors. It's ships that we blow out of the water, and gnats that we shoo away from picnics. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Optimissed wrote:
Yes I often like to mix metaphors. One reason is that it irritates unimaginative people.
Yes, I'm sure that is the reason you tell yourself.
Optimissed wrote:
It's real to me. Completely. I have no doubt that we can alter the world with our minds. None at all.
My continued existence belies your powers .
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Reading difficulties again?
It says, "Chess will never be solved, here's why and what's @Optimissed's IQ and does he turn water into wine or the other way round and what did his family have for breakfast", does it?
Sep 30, 2022
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MARattigan wrote:
Elroch wrote:
... Science, by contrast is a black box which takes in observations and generates and tests models which describe patterns in those observations. ...
Is that what Newton would be doing if by using the word "two" in the hypothetical statement I gave or would he be using mathematics?
I would say no, on the grounds that a caveman with no mathematics would understand the concept of an object and another object that was not the first object. It is a very basic structural concept, so you could be terribly pedantic and argue it is primeval mathematics. Mathematics is about the structure. So, when Newton's work involved arithmetic like addition or multiplication, he was (of course) using mathematics. More fundamentally, he did so when he said there was a scale of mass (and many other things) where quantities were associated with real numbers. The notion that there is a scale of mass and you can add masses is non-trivial use of mathematics.
This discussion brings to mind how huge a deal it was to do things like quantify physical quantities with numbers at first. We are so used to it, we forget that.
... you start with an intuitive notion of a mathematical object - eg the counting numbers - then you find some axioms that represent your intuition. ...
In the link I gave those axioms are just the logical axioms.
Principia is a work on constructing mathematics on a single foundation. Set theory and logic are typically used.
Then you are off to the races (as say Euclid was).
Only more or less if you read the Elements, but you'd hardly say it wasn't mathematics.
I didn't. I used it as a canonical example of mathematics
Not sure what you did to the format there...
llama36 wrote:
mikekalish wrote:
I always thought of science as "What humans know about the physical universe" and mathematics as the "Language we have devised to describe that knowledge". And to me, they are two very different things, even though they are closely related.
That's probably a very crude way of looking at it, and likely I'll be corrected....but go easy. I'm old.
It goes beyond that though. The fun thing about math is it could still be done even if this universe didn't exist. If nothing we know of existed, we couldn't talk about color or shape or time, etc. But all the math we know right now would still exist.
That's not the "fun" thing for me. The "fun" thing about math for me is how it describes the physical universe.
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Elroch wrote:
Not sure what you did to the format there...
Don't ask me. I think the AI applied to the edit window has developed an evil consciousness of it's own.
NervesofButter wrote:
At 59 im healthier than most people i know. I am the only one i know that is not on any prescription medications. I bike ride to work. I go to the gym when i can. I have hobbies. I have a small group of friends that can tell me the truth, and we can be honest with each other. I too have grandchildren
Am I "rich" in the monetary sense? Not even close. But am I rich in things that truly matter? Absolutely.
I would not trade the aches and pains of growing older for the wisdom i have gained and where im at in life.
You're doing it right....staying active and staying connected.....and walking with "you-know-who"....that I'd probably get in trouble for mentioning here.
mikekalish wrote:
You're doing it right....staying active and staying connected.....and walking with "you-know-who"....that I'd probably get in trouble for mentioning here.
The mods have not been enforcing much of anything lately, so...
Sep 30, 2022
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To revert to a previous topic
The co-evolution of physics and maths (Symmetry Magazine)
[couldn't have been in a better place]
I was an atheist for 50+ years, but that all changed in 2021.
Optimissed wrote:
Don't like her.
You'd be more interesting, btickler .... er .... if you could manage to be ineresting. Why not have a bash eh? After all, you're among friends here .... no need to be shy. Give us a shock.
Always the overreaching and empty additional post
...you really should work on that. Just sit on your hands and find the right move, to put it in chess parlance...