stay calm and see this
Chess will never be solved, here's why
@9240
"you claimed every position could be strategy stolen"
++ No, I did not claim that.
I claim that for any tentative strategy to win as black,
there exists a white strategy to win by stealing it.
If 1 e4 c5 were a black win, then 1 c3 e5 2 c4 would be a white win.
If 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 d5 were a black win,
then 1 Nf3 d5 2 g3 c5 3 d3 Nc6 4 d4 would be a white win.
There cannot exist a consistent black strategy to win, as white can steal it.
you literally did claim it.
"There cannot exist a consistent black strategy to win, as white can steal it."
there's you claiming it again. unless you prove it individually, every possible position is a possible black win. this is logic that 10 year olds could understand.
"If 1 e4 c5 were a black win, then 1 c3 e5 2 c4 would be a white win."
false, black doesnt go e5, black goes e4.
you really are so blind that you think you can choose where black moves?
you have to prove that NO MATTER WHERE black moves you can steal the strategy.
your logic is the equivalent of claiming that chess is always a win for white because "e4 e5 Bc4 Bc5 Qh5 Nf6 Qxf7##" wins for white.
It's really just that strategy stealing is completely irrelevant, since a forced zugzwang for either side would be completely impossible to prove existed even if it hypothetically did exist.
@9281
"you showed a game where it lost but a game isn't a proof is it?"
++ I showed 3 games, all ending in 7-men endgame table base wins.
Feel free to suggest any white improvement.
sorry, 3 games isnt enough, you need to show all ~10^14 games, as I suggest every possible white move.
No, you don't. You need to define a general trend towards equalisation and prove it exists in all cases where both sides play good moves.
@9271
"1) g4 does not 'lose by force'."
++ It does. 1 g4? is the worst first white move and the only one that loses by force.
tyg - you haven't proven this.
You have also claimed that all of chess could be solved in five years.
You haven't proven that either.
You won't. You won't prove either one.
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Early in this forum it seemed to be established that rooms full of supercomputers struggle even against just nine pieces on the board - to solve all possible positions with such. Or was it eight?
They cannot do it.
Has that changed in the last two years?
The 'order of difficulty' just increases much too much with each additional added piece.
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After 1) g4 there are still 32 pieces on the board.
Daunting.
Like space travel to the nearest next galaxy.
Humanity would have serious difficulty even accomplishing unmanned space travel to the nearest other star.
@9271
"1) g4 does not 'lose by force'."
++ It does. 1 g4? is the worst first white move and the only one that loses by force.
tyg - you haven't proven this.
You have also claimed that all of chess could be solved in five years.
You haven't proven that either.
You won't. You won't prove either one.
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Early in this forum it seemed to be established that rooms full of supercomputers struggle even against just nine pieces on the board - to solve all possible positions with such. Or was it eight?
They cannot do it.
Has that changed in the last two years?
The 'order of difficulty' just increases much too much with each additional added piece.
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After 1) g4 there are still 32 pieces on the board.
Daunting.
Like space travel to the nearest next galaxy.
Humanity would have serious difficulty even accomplishing unmanned space travel to the nearest other star.
It might lose by force. I was only quibbling with "it definitely loses by force". I suspect it doesn't lose. If I had to place a bet, I'd bet that it doesn't lose. But it might.
@9281
"you showed a game where it lost but a game isn't a proof is it?"
++ I showed 3 games, all ending in 7-men endgame table base wins.
Feel free to suggest any white improvement.
sorry, 3 games isnt enough, you need to show all ~10^14 games, as I suggest every possible white move.