Remember, when she was growing up, people like Fischer and Kasparov were saying women were too stupid for chess. Nobody ever told a little boy “boys are too stupid to play chess.” Maybe particular boys were told this, and it probably set them back. Every girl had to hear this! Every one.
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Sep 22, 2020
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#202
@btickler - exactly. She has beaten Magnus, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Spassky, Smyslov, Topalov, Anand, and a long list of others.
Remember, when she was growing up, people like Fischer and Kasparov were saying women were too stupid for chess. Nobody ever told a little boy “boys are too stupid to play chess.” Maybe particular boys were told this, and it probably set them back. Every girl had to hear this! Every one.
Remember, when she was growing up, people like Fischer and Kasparov were saying women were too stupid for chess. Nobody ever told a little boy “boys are too stupid to play chess.” Maybe particular boys were told this, and it probably set them back. Every girl had to hear this! Every one.
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:
For me, it is as meaningless as it would have been had it been the first person of X race or Y place or Z condition which is to say, pretty meaningless. As I said, the partition of genders in chess is pretty arbitrary.
Hopefully it will be (pretty arbitrary, that is) someday, when the world of old white men has died off in a few generations 
. It would be nice if there were actually no difference. Change is going to take a long time, though.
Sep 22, 2020
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#205
congrandolor wrote:
He beat a 2700 GM with the Boncloud, that means something...
In a garbage blitz game... who cares.
Sep 22, 2020
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#206
congrandolor wrote:
He beat a 2700 GM with the Boncloud, that means something...
It means nothing. If you saw the game Naka was busted at the beginning, and Jeffrey blundered material in the end. The opening had notihng to do with the result of the game.
Caruana is kind of weirdly underrated though. He never really scores any spectacular victories so people don't find him very interesting, but world no 2. is still world number 2.
Richard_Hunter wrote:
Caruana is kind of weirdly underrated though. He never really scores any spectacular victories so people don't find him very interesting, but world no 2. is still world number 2.
Kinda true. He never is number one, but always scores towards the top
Sep 22, 2020
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#209
Richard_Hunter wrote:
Caruana is kind of weirdly underrated though. He never really scores any spectacular victories.
What do you mean? His 7-0 run in the Sinquefiled tournament earned him a performance rating in the GOAT category.
Just because he doesn't impress the 12 year old Twitch community by playing garbage openings and tweeting inane hashtags doesn't mean he's not better than Nakamura at chess.
He's undoubtedly better than Nakamura at chess.
Sep 22, 2020
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#210
iforgotmyusename wrote:
Richard_Hunter wrote:
Caruana is kind of weirdly underrated though. He never really scores any spectacular victories so people don't find him very interesting, but world no 2. is still world number 2.
Kinda true. He never is number one, but always scores towards the top
Sort of like how Naka is never number 5, but always manages to stay in the top 10.
...
Until now of course, and he's struggling to stay in the top 20.
Let's see how he does in the next OTB tournament he plays. He should try not to embarrass himself.
Sep 22, 2020
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#211
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:
btickler escribió:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:
So your argument is that Judit had little support and that the misoginy in chess dragged down her chess?
The first one is quite clearly wrong, to the point of having raised the debate about how genius happens which in fact, was the goal of her father. The second one doesn't seem to be the case given that she always had a positive public light in her professional career and as other mentioned, was the best prodigy in the world in her young years.
The only real disparity against women is that there are less of them, but as it happens, there are other ways to partition human population which result in less of each group.
It's misogyny...and no, I didn't say that was Judit Polgar's issue. I said that women's representation is lower for that reason. Judit is just the first woman to prove that a woman can beat any player in the world on an equal footing. I guess for you that is meaningless unless she pulls a Fischer and conquers the chess world single-handed.
For me, it is as meaningless as it would have been had it been the first person of X race or Y place or Z condition which is to say, pretty meaningless. As I said, the partition of genders in chess is pretty arbitrary.
Judit is impressive, but not for the reason most people think heh.
Statistically females are more interested in people and less interested in things. So given a free choice, most of them will apply their talents outside of chess (and STEM fields).
Many liberals (and I'm a liberal myself, just not a stupid one) want to pretend there is no difference between genders, so Judit's accomplishments weight on the side of equality.
But it's more the exception that proves the rule. She's amazing, and worth ranking in the legendary category, precisely because women aren't as predisposed to chess excellence. Not because they're less intelligent, but because of 2 things:
1: Males dominate the extremes. That means negative things too like suicide and low IQ
2: Women are statistically less interested in things and more interested in people
If your gender is statistically bad at chess, as the female gender is, it's not something to be upset over. It means you care about things like people.
Sep 22, 2020
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#212
llama wrote:
iforgotmyusename wrote:
Richard_Hunter wrote:
Caruana is kind of weirdly underrated though. He never really scores any spectacular victories so people don't find him very interesting, but world no 2. is still world number 2.
Kinda true. He never is number one, but always scores towards the top
Sort of like how Naka is never number 5, but always manages to stay in the top 10.
...
Until now of course, and he's struggling to stay in the top 20.
Let's see how he does in the next OTB tournament he plays. He should try not to embarrass himself.
Harsh. And that's more Indian than Tibetan. As a name that is.
Sep 22, 2020
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#213
So should they include Judit Polgar?
Well first of all, Naka definitely should include her. Because his audience is both stupid and sympathetic towards such things.
But putting Hiakru's inadequacies aside, and ranking in pure logical terms, is Judit legendary?
Yes, she's statistically amazing... and even if you don't agree with the maths side of it, you're unable to name a better female chess player in the past 10,000 years... therefore she's amazing whether you're an ignorant fool or not.
Sep 22, 2020
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#214
autobunny wrote:
llama wrote:
iforgotmyusename wrote:
Richard_Hunter wrote:
Caruana is kind of weirdly underrated though. He never really scores any spectacular victories so people don't find him very interesting, but world no 2. is still world number 2.
Kinda true. He never is number one, but always scores towards the top
Sort of like how Naka is never number 5, but always manages to stay in the top 10.
...
Until now of course, and he's struggling to stay in the top 20.
Let's see how he does in the next OTB tournament he plays. He should try not to embarrass himself.
Harsh. And that's more Indian than Tibetan. As a name that is.
"Harsh" implies "unfair"
But:
1) Objectively he's #18.
2) Objectively he's capable of doing much better
Therefore:
3) He should try not to embarrass himself.
Of course the 12 year olds will love him no matter what (and forget he exists 2 years later) but real chess players are watching. So for the sake of his legacy, as I said, he should try not to embarrass himself.
Sep 22, 2020
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#215
GMproposedsolutions wrote:
Some people, when getting fully into something from an early age, do not get to grow up. Some end up being chumps but just happen to be very good at what they do.
Truth.
Sep 22, 2020
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#216
I mean, look at Giri.
Not even top 10, but he's a good person and married.
What's hikaru got over that?
1) Twitch followers?
2) The fact that for some stupid reason he helps increase Erik Allebest's bank account balance?
lol.
When they're both in their 80s, we'll see who has more regrets.
And of course Carlsen's name will be remembered 100s of years from now.
Sep 22, 2020
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Sep 22, 2020
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#218
autobunny wrote:
Naka stumbled into the #2 spot once, but in the next tournament he fell back down to his regular place: the bottom half of the top 10.
Is being the 7th best chess player in the world amazing? Of course it is.
Are the 7th best chess players remembered for years after they stop playing?
Of course they aren't.
Sep 22, 2020
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#220
His brother the kindergarten champ didn't manage to get a title
https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2012774
Also, I love it when men talk with authority on what it’s like to be a woman playing chess. I have had to turn off my chat because of all the crap. Some dudes are all super nice, then when I tell them to please focus on chess they get pissy. I’ve had men say all kinds of sexist and derogatory things. Lots of men get especially mad when they lose to a woman. I rarely get treated like another chess player, it’s usually too nice or too mean.
Men also often compete with other men as an alpha male show of dominance—you might as well bust out a ruler. I don’t get this. I play because I want to do well, not get a good feeling because I’ve crushed my opponents. Maybe that puts me at a disadvantage and some would say I don’t have a killer instinct. This may be true, but that’s not a function of intelligence or ability, but rather of priorities. But anyway, that’s why I don’t like playing against men.
Women like playing other women because they don’t have to put up with a lot of this bs.
Well there are all kinds of people. I am a man but I turned off the chat because on my first or second day playing live matches, I ended up playing a guy who laughed after my blunder. After that I figured that it is just easier to turn off chat, as there will certainly be something worse than that in the future so I decided to simplify. There are millions of users here, many are children or teenagers, and others - well a lot of different people so we are bound to meet all kinds. Of course women are subjected to a different kind of abuse but it doesn't mean that men treat each other with respect all the time. Far from it.
As for Polgar, in my opinion she is the legend of chess. Bottom line, she will be remembered for a long time, as she surely had and has a great impact on chess and the way the game is viewed. Someone may like it or not, but it is just the way it is. In my opinion she deserves the treatment of a chess legend. Not many better players than her in her best years. She is the real deal, certainly not someone media pushed in our faces.