….I don’t even understand why someone thinks reading on tactics, variations etc. increases ‘your’ skills when simply playing the great game is worthy enough. To me THATS CHESS.
FACT: You can't improve at chess
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Perhaps if ego was removed and simply enjoying your gained knowledge could benefit any chess player.
……..instead of dwelling how much your ratings have dropped. Then again, were there no ratings whatsoever WE WOULD JUST LOVE THE GAME AND BE HAPPY WIN OR LOSE, THEREFORE GROW.
Oct 9, 2021
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TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
….I don’t even understand why someone thinks reading on tactics, variations etc. increases ‘your’ skills when simply playing the great game is worthy enough. To me THATS CHESS.
A proven track record of improvement through tactical training leads most people towards the belief that tactical training results in better play.
Oct 9, 2021
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It's possible someone can be limited in their peak rating. However there's no chance anyone hits their genetic skill cap any time soon.
Ziryab wrote:
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
….I don’t even understand why someone thinks reading on tactics, variations etc. increases ‘your’ skills when simply playing the great game is worthy enough. To me THATS CHESS.
A proven track record of improvement through tactical training leads most people towards the belief that tactical training results in better play.
….shucks…. had you only two minutes later posted you’d see my addition to my post. lol
it's not a fact, it's just an opinion
i think it depends how hard you try; how smart you proceed in learning....My rating not good but i have learned some new openings and am absolutely having a blast using them. Even when I lose, which is still a lot) it is really fun to go back and see where i goofed.....or the reason i lost...did I:
verlook a serious threat? take too long to develop pieces? UNERESTIMATE MLY OPPONENT?!!!? DONE THAT WAY TO OFTEN....ETCX, ETCXMY THOUGHYT IS.....if you're having fun DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!!! a COUPLE OF SILLY SOLUTIONS:
1. PLAY WEAKER PLAEYRS 2.START TEACHING YHOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS TO PLAY.....
IT'S LIKE THE GUY WHO was asked how he was losing so much weight....He said, not losing, just wearing bigger clothes!!!!
psylowade escreveu:
This is going to be a very controversial post - but I strongly believe that once someone has a basic understanding of the game (knowing all the opening variations, basic strategies etc..) it's almost impossible to improve based on practice. I think we all have a natural ability that will dictate our skill level. It's why we see little kids rated as grandmasters but players who have put 20+ years in still struggle at 1500
This is why you see that majority of players, who have played for over 5 years ALWAYS hover around the same rating. You would think after 5 years of consistent practice the rating would gradually increase?
Every single graph I've looked at at long term players is within 200 rating points. I.e. if someone is rated 1900 they will have hovered between 1800-2000 for their entire careers. It makes me believe chess is based on genetic intelligence you're born with and nothing more. Yes you can sharpen your skill but you're not going to go from struggling at 1000 to 2500 in 10 years.
I know the majority of you are thinking "what an idiot of course you can improve" - Show me a graph of a player who has consistently improved over time. It doesn't exist. It's usually rapid increase or decrease at the beginning then just hovering around a rating forever. Give me a player profile graph and show me slow, long term improvement
Lmao you're asking to get punched in the face by someone smart enough to destroy you with arguments
not me though, I won't waste my time
i need friends who will be my friend
I think the OP is badly worded, but there is a thing floating around about an "8 year window" for chess improvement.
I hit 1600 almost immediately when I first played in otb tournaments.
I can't say I have improved much since then, except to the extent there has been rating deflation (documented) because my rating has stayed constant over the years, so perhaps some marginal improvement.
I hit 1600 almost immediately when I first played in otb tournaments.
I can't say I have improved much since then, except to the extent there has been rating deflation (documented) because my rating has stayed constant over the years, so perhaps some marginal improvement.
FACT: You can't improve at chess. in my opinion the only people to really progress in chess is the people who just join a few days ago. and in another way you can improve imagen your playing chess like you would. And you keep losing your not losing cause your bad. the only reason your losing is cause you need to learn more moves and you need to improve. look at the top chess champions. they weren't there before why cause they were trying to improve just like you are so next time you lose dont beat your self up about it just keep trying to improve and your skill will get better.
I don't mean to be a jerk but 600 and 800s really shouldn't talk about what's possible in improvement. Most people don't agree on what means you should expect to be improving anyways. some people think playing a bunch of blitz and bullet is training and are surprised when they don't improve. I would be surprised if anybody but a very weak player improved by such methods ( If its fun for you then do it, you don't need to be a GM to have fun.). In my opinion strong player should only expect to improve by introducing himself to new concepts, identifying weaknesses and attacking them no mater how boring or distasteful he finds them, and seriously studying his games ( not 3 minutes on chess.com's analysis board either, I mean actually studying) and the games of masters. By strong players I mean relative to the general chess community, so like 1700-1800 rapid or more. For our purposes I consider IMs and GMs to be freaks. Note that I don't mean genetic freaks but rather statistical anomalies and outliers that need not be considered.
Oct 18, 2021
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#495
Well that's it guys, the OP has discovered the terrible truth. You can't improve by practicing.
The op said you can't improve by practicing but in the rest of his paragraph spoke as if he meant you literally can't improve by any means. So that's what I took his opinion to be. Check out Nihal Sarins chess.com account and look at his all time blitz graph, its quite a smooth advance from 1700 to 3150 over the last decade or so.
Playing chess is an art. If you want to measure the skill of a player by the number of loses and wins, then yeah, a person may be hoovering around 1500-2000 elo points, but that's a human created system that has its failures. I have been playing chess for more than 10 years. I haven't improved much in skill, but I am much more intuitive and less naive than in the past. That's for sure.
I agree. To some extent.
Hard work, patience and skill(intelligence) are required to do well in chess.
I have worked hard and I have patience. I lack the intelligence.
No matter how many games I tried, I have not managed to do well. I make the same mistake again and again. With great difficulty I put lichess and chess in my hosts file to prevent myself from wasting a minute more than I need to. I enjoy the game, but being a pathological loser is not fun.
I live better. With my slight intellectual disability, I do fine in other activities in life. Just that chess is not for me.
Jan 20, 2022
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#499
deathshed wrote:
I agree. To some extent.
Hard work, patience and skill(intelligence) are required to do well in chess.
I have worked hard and I have patience. I lack the intelligence.
No matter how many games I tried, I have not managed to do well. I make the same mistake again and again. With great difficulty I put lichess and chess in my hosts file to prevent myself from wasting a minute more than I need to. I enjoy the game, but being a pathological loser is not fun.
I live better. With my slight intellectual disability, I do fine in other activities in life. Just that chess is not for me.
You won 7 of your last 8 games. And you're rated around 1100. There are players on this site who struggle to reach 500, and have been struggling for years.
If you don't want to continue with chess, that's entirely your choice. But you're not as bad off as you think.
Maybe one day soon we’ll actually use to the fullest our abilities. Perhaps…