(for athletes) Have you encountered individuals adamant about chess as sport?

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(I’ve never seen krav? Then what the hell kind of training have I been doing for the last decade? Why is Imi Lichtenfeld’s photo on the wall? God, I feel like such a fool! 😆)

I’m not gonna click on your dropbox link bc I don’t trust you.
But, if that really is for your tennis club, do you realize you likely just posted enough information for someone to find you in person?
(You’re right. You know nothing about krav. No krav practitioner would do something that stupid.)

I think we’ve all learned as much as we need (care) to about you, Quatch.
Good luck with your CBW treatments (and your raging ethnocentrism.)
Ya gotta just take it one day at a time, man…
I believe in you ❤️
And so does Jade ❤️
(If you really are Vietnamese, you’ll know
why she goes by Jade 😆)
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Forget the Cuban Missile Crisis, why are you using ‘The Soviet Union’ in the present tense?

Jesus christ. Forget the CBW; it’s straight-up Fromm NPD + ethnocentrism.
(And that ain’t ad hominem; that’s genuine concern that you need to talk to a licensed professional.)

If someone else would like this one; it’s yours. I’m out (and not coming back.)
Video games and kung fu movies are only funny as support material for a very ‘unique’ worldview for so long. Then it just gets kinda sad and concerning.

Later, dudes.
Quatch, I guess try to take care of yourself. (Please talk to someone.)
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They're probably told to believe it.

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whiteknight1968 wrote:

Doesn't sport imply physical activity or am I missing the point?

Sport doesn't imply physical activity, it IS physical activity. No wondering or second guessing needed.

But to answer the OP question, no. I personally have never, irl, ever encountered someone who believes chess is a sport. Not even other chess players when I played competitively a long time ago.

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long_quach wrote:

Pound per pound, humans are the weakest animal, but the smartest animal.

This seems very wrong. Aren't there a lot of animals that are weaker, pound per pound, than humans?

A lot of mammals have a lot of body fat (including humans) but wouldn't a blue whale be a lot weaker than a human, pound per pound? Or even a seal. They can be big and strong, but they weigh a lot too. On a smaller scale there are probably hundreds, maybe thousands, of animals that are weaker than humans on a per pound basis. What about a worm or jellyfish? They can't even lift their own body weight.

And how many animals can run for 26 miles straight without stopping? There are probably a LOT of animals that don't have the strength or endurance to do that.

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long_quach wrote:
QuarteredFOV wrote:
 why are you using ‘The Soviet Union’ in the present tense?

Hmm. Because it did not die. The concept of the Soviet Union. Haven't you heard the news? Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union.

Every ballet school in America is founded by a Russian. The Russians can just walk over to America and all the girls in ballet class would wave their flag.

That's quite correct. Well, some of it is.

I don't know why I'm reading this but I am. I initially sympathised with Russia because clearly, Crimea should be Russian. For all the atrocities committed in the second World war, Danzig had an overwhelming proportion of German speaking people and that war started over danzig and a series of treaties where France was allied to Poland and Britain was allied to France. It's only to be hoped that such a thing is never allowed to happen again. I felt strongly that this was an internal war within Russia, since ukraine hadn't existed as a country for 1000 years and even then it was further to the West and North. It certainly didn't include Crimea, which is an important Russian base. I felt that the EU and USA were deliberately destabilising Europe.

Naturally, when the atrocities happened I completely threw my Russian sympathies away. But I still blame Zelensky as much as Putin.

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long_quach wrote:

Pound per pound, empty handed, we are ridiculous physically inferior to animals. Here is an animal with our basic structure.

Not if you actually became fit and did strength developing exercises and learned to fight.

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long_quach wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Pound per pound, humans are the weakest animal, but the smartest animal.

What about a . . . jellyfish?

A jellyfish weighs nothing. It will mess you up. Ever been stung by a jellyfish?

A UFC champion cannot even catch a chicken unless it is cornered.

I've never been stung by a jellyfish. But that's not what you said either. You didn't say humans sting less, or bite less, or claw less. You said humans are weaker, pound per pound than any animal. But I can think of quite a few animals that are weaker, on a per pound basis than humans. And there are probably at least hundreds I'm not aware of.

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long_quach wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Pound per pound, empty handed, we are ridiculous physically inferior to animals. Here is an animal with our basic structure.

Not if you actually became fit and did strength developing exercises and learned to fight.

This guy is exceptional. The rest of us are sissies.

I'm not sure what the point of that video is. It's a tame domesticated bear playing with a child. I'm sure if it were a motivated wild bear the encounter would be much different.

Bears are strong, but they also usually weigh a lot more than people. One of the strongest bears is a grizzly bear. An adult grizzly bear, weighing about 800 pounds is equal in strength to 5 adult humans. Oddly enough the average adult human weighs about 160 pounds. Which means the average human is about equal in strength, pound per pound, to that of a grizzly bear. And MANY humans are stronger than a grizzly bear, on a pound per pound basis.

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Originally, sport meant pretty much horseback riding. Hunting (on horse). Racing (on horse). Fighting (on horse). It's what kings did. As well as maybe hunting without the horse. Or racing other things like dogs and yachts. Then it came to mean anything done "for sport" meaning "for fun" similar to "sports car" and would therefore have included games like chess and billiards, but probably not vile peasantish team contests like the various village ball games that would eventually turn into all the forms of football (American, Australian, European, Rugby, etc.). It's a word. It hasn't got intrinsic meaning (unless you are Plato).

Let me come back and add an edit since mentioning Plato made me think of something else. The Greeks (Olympics, etc.), didn't call it "sports" (OK, they didn't speak English), but they would have said something more like "athletics." It still was racing (on foot) but also stuff good for war (running, wrestling, throwing spears, etc.). Even now, in English, if you say "athletics" it more means that sort of Olympic stuff, while "sport" more means other competition. But, for sure, chess is not "athletics"--it might be "sport."

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long_quach wrote:
Khallyx wrote:

And the Chinese don't care about sports?

I said "ancient Chinese". I didn't say "modern Chinese".

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/for-athletes-have-you-encountered-individuals-adamant-about-chess-as-sport#comment-96953671

No, you said, and I quote: "Chinese don't even care about sports", stop lying.

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long_quach wrote:
Khallyx wrote:

Very weird of you to be casually xenophobic.

That is just you name calling.

Quote what I say, and tell me why I'm wrong.

I quote other people, and I tell why they are wrong.

If you're not capable of following the simplest of rebuttals, then you are not worth engaging.

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Optimissed wrote:
long_quach wrote:
QuarteredFOV wrote:
 why are you using ‘The Soviet Union’ in the present tense?

Hmm. Because it did not die. The concept of the Soviet Union. Haven't you heard the news? Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union.

Every ballet school in America is founded by a Russian. The Russians can just walk over to America and all the girls in ballet class would wave their flag.

That's quite correct. Well, some of it is.

I don't know why I'm reading this but I am. I initially sympathised with Russia because clearly, Crimea should be Russian. For all the atrocities committed in the second World war, Danzig had an overwhelming proportion of German speaking people and that war started over danzig and a series of treaties where France was allied to Poland and Britain was allied to France. It's only to be hoped that such a thing is never allowed to happen again. I felt strongly that this was an internal war within Russia, since ukraine hadn't existed as a country for 1000 years and even then it was further to the West and North. It certainly didn't include Crimea, which is an important Russian base. I felt that the EU and USA were deliberately destabilising Europe.

Naturally, when the atrocities happened I completely threw my Russian sympathies away. But I still blame Zelensky as much as Putin.

I don't see what your historical and utter geopolitical ignorance have to do with anything in this thread.
For the love of god, mods, can we lock this completely useless quach-rant thread?

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long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Other cultures don't care about sports.

Ancient China, Four valued arts.

四藝 Four Arts

琴 music
棋 chess

書 calligraphy, poetry
畫 painting

@Khallyx

You did not quote me.

Above is the quote.

Stop with your incessive lying, god damn.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/for-athletes-have-you-encountered-individuals-adamant-about-chess-as-sport?page=2#comment-96984327

Anyway, I'm done with your and your theater. I have no idea if you think you're coming off as real, but literally no one thinks you're actually "westerner", like you said. Please, seek help.

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long_quach wrote:

@Khallyx

It is very simple.

Quote what I say.

Tell me why I am wrong.

If I was wrong, I want to know why I was wrong.

It's that simple.

He did quote what you said. And he told you why you are wrong. No need to ask again for something that was already provided.

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Khallyx wrote:
long_quach wrote:
Khallyx wrote:

And the Chinese don't care about sports?

I said "ancient Chinese". I didn't say "modern Chinese".

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/for-athletes-have-you-encountered-individuals-adamant-about-chess-as-sport#comment-96953671

No, you said, and I quote: "Chinese don't even care about sports", stop lying.

This is what you said. He quoted what you said. Why deny it?

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long_quach wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
 

He did quote what you said. And he told you why you are wrong. No need to ask again for something that was already provided.

No he did not quote me. He said he quoted me, but he did not.

If he did, quote him.

Quote him quoting me and quote him telling me why I was wrong.

He said you were wrong because you denied saying what you said. That is why you are wrong. Denying what you said even after he correctly quoted you.

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long_quach wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Anyone who thinks it's a sport is kidding themselves.

The reason we play chess at all is because of Bobby Fischer and the Russians.

The Russians consider chess a sport.

Karpov thinks it's a sport.

https://www.chess.com/blog/Hansabell/chess-is-everything-art-science-and-sport

Look at Anatoly Karpov's name, along with all the other athletes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Honoured_Masters_of_Sport_of_the_USSR&from=I

Are the Russians kidding themselves? or are we?

And the Chinese don't even care about sports.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/for-athletes-have-you-encountered-individuals-adamant-about-chess-as-sport?page=1#comment-96953671

"And the Chinese don't even care about sports."

I think they do care about sports. A lot.

This is the sentence that was quoted. Several times now. Denying you said it is why you are wrong.

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long_quach wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

"And the Chinese don't even care about sports."

I think they do care about sports. A lot.

This is the sentence that was quoted. Several times now. Denying you said it is why you are wrong.

Where did I say

"And the Chinese don't even care about sports."

verbatim? Where, verbatim?

Well I'm not sure repeating it will help. You obviously are having some sort of issue if you can't comprehend the words written here. It's been quoted, verbatim, several times. You wrote those words here, in this topic. Do you not understand that those are the words you wrote?

Because if that's the case, then maybe you do need help of some kind.

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long_quach wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

"And the Chinese don't even care about sports."

I think they do care about sports. A lot.

Forget who said what and who did not quote for a moment.

Myths are exaggerations of real stories.

In Western literature

There are men of superhuman strength, Hercules, Samson, Gilgamesh, Beowulf, etc.

Can someone who is Chinese who tells me of men of superhuman strength in Chinese mythologies?

The Monkey King. Oops, that's a monkey.

Well...I'm not Chinese, but two things: I'm not sure I'd call Gilgamesh "Western."

As for Chinese superhuman fighters...depends what you would call "superhuman" I guess. There's the whole Romance of Three Kingdoms with some quite badass fighters in it, such as Guan Yu and Zang Fei...others too.