Forced en passant?

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bigD521

@blueemu Not familiar with FIDE, but I will bite, Black. No illegal move was made. The move put white in check. Whites move must be to first to get out of check which he cannot. Mate. Or is this a trick question perhaps based off of old FIDE rule which has been updated?

blueemu
bigD521 wrote:

@blueemu Not familiar with FIDE, but I will bite, Black. No illegal move was made. The move put white in check. Whites move must be to first to get out of check which he cannot. Mate. Or is this a trick question perhaps based off of old FIDE rule which has been updated?

You are correct, Black wins.

The simplest way to refute White's outlandish claim is to point out that his statement "Your Pawn never reached the d5 square" is false. Official FIDE rules make it quite clear that a move is completed when you move the piece and take your hand off it. The rules say nothing about "not actually complete until the opponent decides whether he wants to en passent or not".

So Black's Pawn DID reach the d5 square, blocking the check. So it is White, not Black who is mated.

tlay80
blueemu wrote:
bigD521 wrote:

@blueemu Not familiar with FIDE, but I will bite, Black. No illegal move was made. The move put white in check. Whites move must be to first to get out of check which he cannot. Mate. Or is this a trick question perhaps based off of old FIDE rule which has been updated?

You are correct, Black wins.

The simplest way to refute White's outlandish claim is to point out that his statement "Your Pawn never reached the d5 square" is false. Official FIDE rules make it quite clear that a move is completed when you move the piece and take your hand off it. The rules say nothing about "not actually complete until the opponent decides whether he wants to en passent or not".

So Black's Pawn DID reach the d5 square, blocking the check. So it is White, not Black who is mated.

Oh, that's very funny.  The logic above sounds right to me.

I'm assuming this didn't actually ever happen and is merely a good story, right?

bigD521
bigD521 wrote:

@blueemu Not familiar with FIDE, but I will bite, Black. No illegal move was made. The move put white in check. Whites move must be to first to get out of check which he cannot. Mate. Or is this a trick question perhaps based off of old FIDE rule which has been updated?

Reconsidered based off of an assumption that you would not be posting this, in this thread, unless en passant actually played an active role other than some poor mixed up person.  Thus if Fide sided with white in a current rule book, then the question would be why. The rule of en passant often seen in relation to first position/3move rule(?} may be of relevance. The essence of how I understand it, is the move is not complete until the second person makes their move. This would be conflicting with the thought that a check must be met first Interesting if this is the case.

bigD521
bigD521 wrote:
bigD521 wrote:

@blueemu Not familiar with FIDE, but I will bite, Black. No illegal move was made. The move put white in check. Whites move must be to first to get out of check which he cannot. Mate. Or is this a trick question perhaps based off of old FIDE rule which has been updated?

Reconsidered based off of an assumption that you would not be posting this, in this thread, unless en passant actually played an active role other than some poor mixed up person.  Thus if Fide sided with white in a current rule book, then the question would be why. The rule of en passant often seen in relation to first position/3move rule(?} may be of relevance. The essence of how I understand it, is the move is not complete until the second person makes their move. This would be conflicting with the thought that a check must be met first Interesting if this is the case.

@blueemu Well logic wins, but as seen above, I m fully capable of coming up with twisted logic

trimalo

To sum it up: La prise en passant can be forced - like any other moves- if and only if it is forced, meaning that no other moves are possible and making a move is compulsary.  

StopTakingMyRooks

False. En Passant is forced. Chess.c*m and all of the chess players today say otherwise, because they are not playing proper Chess.

jorggg_54
Ubik42 escribió:
is this like a deliberate troll thread lol. En passant is not forced.

Just as a silly example to demonstrate how dumb, what if by moving the pawn you discovered an attack the king? Uh oh. Which forced move are you going to do now, the forced en passant capture or the forced moving your king out of check move?

If you gonna troll at least be funny or clever. This is just dumb.

That will be a checkmate because you are forced to move the king but you cant because you are forced to eat en passant

Rendag1

it is forced. if it loses you the game, cry about it but you have to play it. even if this is not really a rule its like an unwritten rule of chess (except in tournaments)

MagnusCarlson202020212022
No
kttkudleon

Yes, en passant is forced. Unless you play en passant, you will automatically lose.

jesuisme

@blueemu Thanks for the puzzle!

From the current position:

Bg2+ d5#

d5 blocks the check from the white bishop. It also puts the white king in check. White is required to relieve the check. Taking en passant (c5 x d5) does not relieve the check. Because there are no legal moves available that relieve the check, White is checkmated.

JuergenWerner
blueemu wrote:

Here's a chess rules / en passent question:

In the following position, with White to move:

... White gleefully announced mate-in-3 and played Bg2+
 
Black replied "You've mated yourself!" and played d7-d5 discovered check.
 
White captured en passent at d6 and said "Mate!"
 
Black objected "You can't move that... you're already checkmated!"
 
White shook his head. "Your Pawn never reached the d5 square. It was captured en passent while crossing the d6 square. You never blocked my original check. YOU are mated, not ME."
 
The two players could not agree, and the position was submitted for FIDE arbitration.
 
Who wins?

black wins. en passant is not a legal move that blocks black's bishop. must resolve the check first. end of story.

Hyperlogic0

En passant could only be played if doing so resulted in white getting out of check. En passant is still a move taken on turn as there is no in between phase when right to move is exchanged from one player to another.

Adrified

en passant is forced bro no question about it 
playing en passant > checkmate

parsphere

Yes, en passant is forced, despite what other sources may tell you.

bradfooks

En passant is and never will be forced but must be done immediately or rights are forfeited. If the pawn only moved one square initially then taking it would be perfectly legal but doesn't have to be done on the next move so any capture of the pawn whether one square or two is voluntary.

erik_nagy

Farming achievements, yes it is forced loplol

JosephRoseph
bigD521 wrote:
GMdmitryduvanov wrote:

According to the official FIDE Handbook, en passant is a forced move, meaning that whenever an opportunity presents itself, a player MUST capture en passant.

There is no way this is in any rule book. You had to have interpreted something stated incorrectly.

@stangajoseph When a 2 square pawn advance creates an en passant situation, there is always a choice. If the move will mate,(which means the pawn is protected IE: on b4) then your choices are call en passant and capture the pawn, or resign.

Presuming there are no better moves available, when the same advance attacks a trapped Queen you have 4 choices. Play another move which does not help, and allow capture. Take the protected pawn with your Queen, then lose the Queen. Call en passant and capture the pawn. Resign.

In any of the above, or something similar, it is obvious that there is only one good answer. Thus it would be considered that en passant would be a forced move

My brother in christ, the person you are replying to is obviously joking. The idea that en passant is a forced move is a big meme in the online chess space, particularly in and around the anarchychess subreddit.

ChessDude009

En passant is required. If you ever have the opportunity to play en passant but don't, Magus Carson will hack your account and nuke your house.