French defense - best lines against Nc3

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zizgz

In the French defense, against 3.Nc3, what do you think it is best and why:

- Taking on e4 and play Nbd7 (Rubinstein)?

- Playing Nf6 (Classical)?

- Playing Bb4 (Winawer)?

https://www.chess.com/explorer?moveList=e4+e6+d4+d5+Nc3+Bb4&ply=5

toiyabe

Winawer, I prefer dynamic positions.  All of them are sound though, so its entirely personal preference.  

penandpaper0089

3...Nc6 can be interesting although I find that without the move ...c5 White may be able to just force Black into a Rubenstein structure.

Mesmerini
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kingsrook11
2Q1C wrote:
DroneWar wrote:
You'd play the Rubinstein if you want a draw or fear tactics. The Classical is a solid choice and the Winawer is for adventurous play. It depends on what kind of game you want. That's the good thing about the French. A lot of times you can choose from conservative to chaos.

 

Unless white plays 3. exd5

The thread is best lines against 3Nc3

Smoggyabbainopadano

Winawer variation is the more fighting.

Merovwig

Even in the Winaver variation, you can play a lot of different sub-variations beside the main line 6...Ne7, such as:

 

- the "Botvinnik" 6...Qc7 which I have always found peaceful with Black for prepared positional aficionados,

 

-or the blood-thirsty Armenian variation ("retreat" variation) 5...Ba5.

toiyabe
2Q1C wrote:

I've been working on the French all night dude. I prefer the classical. I dont get the Winawer. If you want dynamic positions then why not just play the Sicilian? Also I like the Dark squared bishop. Maybe I should look at more Winawer games but just now I play the classical

 

I do play the Sicilian, lol.  

Cherub_Enjel

I'd play the Rubinstein or Classical. The Winawer requires too much theoretical knowledge, and it's not even that good in return. 

Prologue1
I dare say that sicilian requires even more theory, and leads to just as fun/complicated positions in the Winawer.
Merovwig

As a rule of thumb, I have been taught that when playing the Rubinstein it is hard to do anything else than drawing against same-level opponents and hard not to lose against higher ranked players.

 

However, I cannot confirm it with my own experience since I'm not a Rubinstein player.

As Black, I enjoy the Winaver since it's pretty easy to lead White to the kind of lines

you prefer (at least the ones I do, as mentioned above in # 10).

zizgz
Merovwig wrote:

As a rule of thumb, I have been taught that when playing the Rubinstein it is hard to do anything else than drawing against same-level opponents and hard not to lose against higher ranked players.

 

However, I cannot confirm it with my own experience since I'm not a Rubinstein player.

 

It is difficult perhaps against the Rubinstein to do anything, you just have to wait for an opportunity and play solid moves, but that's what happens with the French when white chooses the exchange variation.

Die_Schanze

Rubinstein is a solid system with not that much theory, even the fort knox with 4... Bd7 is playable. Main Plus is that you can play this system against 3. Nc3 and 3. Nd2 (the Tarrasch) . It's a good start when you first adopt the french, "only" a backup system (as Langrock mentions in his book on the Rubinstein) or it could be a livetime system for a lazy player.

 

In the classical i like the lines after 4. e5 Nfd7 and i prefer to play 4... Bb4 (the McCutcheon) against 4. Bg5. Compared to the classical 4... Be7 black has better counterplay. On my level white is often not well prepared against the McCutcheon, but seems to have played a lot of devasting vicories in the Aljechin-Chatard.

 

I'm not sure about the winawer. For me it looks like a mess of long theory lines after 7. Qg4 0-0 or 7... Qc7. Maybe the sidelines are good enough for some players.

Merovwig
zizgz a écrit :
Merovwig wrote:

As a rule of thumb, I have been taught that when playing the Rubinstein it is hard to do anything else than drawing against same-level opponents and hard not to lose against higher ranked players.

 

However, I cannot confirm it with my own experience since I'm not a Rubinstein player.

 

It is difficult perhaps against the Rubinstein to do anything, you just have to wait for an opportunity and play solid moves, but that's what happen with the French when white chooses the exchange variation.

 

Actually, you can play pretty aggressively in the French exchange variation (no joke). Have a look at how Alekhine punished his opponents for playing 3.exd5.