Freud and the Problem of Evil (Or the Plurality of Types)

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Johnny_Climaxus

Episteme-techne (know-how)

Johnny_Climaxus

Knowing how something (some "X") is made or created 

Johnny_Climaxus

SETAMP = Knowing how ETAMPS

BigDoggProblem

My problem with incontinence is that I'm not fast enough to run to the bathroom in time and not strong enough to resist drinking things. :(

Johnny_Climaxus

Yes exactly....not strong enough to resist (evil) where Aristotle got it from...not strong enough to give birth

Mandy711

In the age of Socrates and Plato, vice iss very limited. So people are less motivated to do evil. At present, we have pornography, Las Vegas n Macau casinos, high class prostitutes, 5 stars hotels, clubs and restos. And for the class C and D citizens, there are cheap alcohols, hookers and gambling outlets. Illegal drugs of different price range caters to users of all class. Evil growx along with the in increase of these motivating factors.

FRENCHBASHER

I don't agree, since 1885.

Nietszche :  beyond good and evil ! 

4 categories seem too "cartesianism", mushroom can be bad on rotten food, BAD, what scientists call ...penicillium!

Nuc' bomb is bad, evil, for children. For ph.D. it is the GOOD way to stop WWII, saving lives. etc ...

We love people saying Tartempion is crap, Z..is good, etc ... Actually they are binary, life is not. God knows how much i love Descartes, good for topdown analysis, but I remember Shakespeare McBeth witches "fair is fool, and gool is fair" what inspired Nietsche.

Bonsoir, for ph.D. only.

Freud vs Evil interesting ! Actually Freud wanted to cure, and Evil was the disorder in brains. Good definition of Evil Nietsche knew so well, alas !

We have an objective approach of BAd, EVil, with disease and suffering. Philosophy of suffering is just essential of philo., the only question important (Camus).

Suman3

We seem to have only one PhD here and he's gonna pop you, FB. ;)

DrSpudnik

I'm bemused by our french fried friend. What I'm really here for is good advice on how to get m&ms out of my nose.

FRENCHBASHER

was a joke , buddies.  i have no ph.d., just business chool level France vs US. 3/100 !!

i just try to practice english, and practice non sense, wich is english humour. Hope i offend nobody.   

FRENCHBASHER
Suman3 a écrit :

We seem to have only one PhD here and he's gonna pop you, FB. ;)

it' s you, dear ? for me, with  or withou ph.D, you'll stay etc ...

ilulzmetuna

LE TRAMP!

Johnny_Climaxus

As said in the first post, there is no "evil" intentionally. Either the person thinks he/she's doing good when it's actually what 'appears' evil and the person's strong enough to carry it out (type 2), or the person doesn't know the right thing to do but because he/she is weak enough, will end up doing what 'appears' good. In other words, what's 'good' and 'evil' is cultural and if you're doing 'good' (what appears so) it doesn't mean you know what the good is or that you're strong. Only when you have both knowledge and strength are you truly good and so self-reliant and so content. 

That being said, this philosophical outline is only logical and not metalogical if you will or psychological. That's where literary theory comes in. Logically there are four types, but what happens when you 'fight' your type or your fate so to speak? So take the example of the third type. You know what's good but you're weak enough not to carry it out. This is a fact about you - in fact the reason I use this example is because it's typical of the modern materialistic hollywood-style attitude of 'do this' - do this and you'll be good. Follow the rules. The problem with our modern approach to morals, however, is that in fact we know the right thing to do since we've been told what it is - yet we'd be weak enough to carry it out. So either we (what appears to be) rebel, or, we 'fight our fate' and still do the right thing contrary to our weak-willed wishes. Now, this is what many people think Kant means when he says that you must 'do the right thing contrary to every inclination' and what you do is determined by your will. He's right, except you can't take him literally. All of this, it's important to understand, is going on in a metaconscious or unconscious level. When you 'propose' your maxim to become a universal law as Kant says you do when considering your action, you don't actually or consciously (unconsciously if you want to use reverse Nietzschean re-transvaluative terminology - see my previous blog post) 'propose' it. It's done on another order. So by saying no, I'll do the right thing contrary to my wishes and desires, that's conscious (sticking with this normal terminology for simplicity's sake but if you want to train yourself well you can imagine my previous's post's instructions), whilst your weakness of will is unconscious. So in effect you're repressing your 'type' by acting good contrary to your unconscious desire.

This is where Freud comes in. He explains how this type (which he calls the 'neurotic'), through a series of complex mental transferences and displacements of feelings, achieves this repression of 'type' and how that actually causes more issues then solves the banal problem of evil. And Kant warns against this too - this 'Christian' mindset of doing the right thing out of fear for a divine power isn't the same as doing the right thing out of duty, which he does say needs to be trained and judged well by the subject. So this utilitarian manipulative hollywood-style attitude of 'do it!' 'action!' doesn't solve the evil in the world. Rather, it fuels it. Because, as the Indians (Nagarjuna, specifically) say, by transfering your unconscious motions onto a conscious opposite by repression, you'll have what's called the 'fault of incontinence', in other words, a result of what was not done - which only leads to more suffering for yourself and arguably but maybe not (but probably so!) for others.

So telling what's right and wrong doesn't help and Freud reminds us of that. What's important, as we can gather from all of the thinkers, is a sort of 'unconscious' renunciation. Not a conscious one as discussed, but a sort of bringing our unconscious desires and fears 'to the surface' and 'flushing them' out. And this is the role of philosophy and more importantly literature - these novels bring our anxiety to the surface so to speak and act as an emetic so that we can function and think and thank properly.

AlCzervik
Hatty-Freeham wrote:

Knowing how something (some "X") is made or created 

i believe "X" is made with two fairly straight lines.

i'm pretty certain of this, since "X" is also my signature.

AlCzervik
DrSpudnik wrote:

I'm bemused by our french fried friend. What I'm really here for is good advice on how to get m&ms out of my nose.

i think you need the extraction tool that Arnold used in Total Recall.

Mandy711

Among the 4 types, where does terrorism belong? What can be done to prevent or cure this disorder?

17rileyc

The extinction of humans.

Mandy711

While waiting for the answers, another question 😊 What is the root of all evils?

Johnny_Climaxus

The root of all evils is repression; specifically, repressed prohibitions. You fear someone because they told you no - it's repressed and instead of acting out of pure goodness (even if you're wrong) you act out of fear. So terrorers are naturally good but act out of fear of their leader - their fears are deeply repressed so to speak

DrSpudnik

I bet the roots of evil are a different color than the hair of evil!