How can hanging a queen be a mistake but not a blunder?

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My opponent did it just now and the icon that flashed up when rewatching was the yellow 'mistake' glyph rather than ??

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show the position thats why

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Move 23...

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I just don't get how it's not a blunder when my knight is sitting there waiting to help himself.

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because white was winning by so much anyways, it didn't really impact the game much.

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Still odd though because taking that queen allowed me to zip up the board and start attacking without the threat of that queen coming after me. Before that I was backed into a corner with few options.

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Because white had a completely winning position even without a queen, he was up by too much material (2 rooks, 2 minor pieces and a pawn for a queen). He only lost because he played badly afterwards.

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That's weird and counter intuitive but I'm trying to get my head around it

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piedraven wrote:

That's weird and counter intuitive but I'm trying to get my head around it

do you know how to count material? Im not being mean im asking because you are lower rated if you have two rooks that alone is worth 1 more pawn than a queen (5+5 vs 9 for the queen)

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TheNameofNames wrote:
piedraven wrote:

That's weird and counter intuitive but I'm trying to get my head around it

do you know how to count material? Im not being mean im asking because you are lower rated if you have two rooks that alone is worth 1 more pawn than a queen (5+5 vs 9 for the queen)

Oopsey. No I didn't know that

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piedraven wrote:

Still odd though because taking that queen allowed me to zip up the board and start attacking without the threat of that queen coming after me. Before that I was backed into a corner with few options.

ra6+ there swings the rook around and protects that pawn btw otherwise yeah i think black would maybe have a draw or something but yeah white would lose all those pawns and the rooks would be very awkward

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I think possibly the fact that one rook was boxed in high up in the corner played a part. One queen vs two rooks would have been hard to deal with.

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TheNameofNames wrote:
 

OH...thanks. I understand now - I was wondering what you meant about the rook move

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piedraven wrote:

My opponent did it just now and the icon that flashed up when rewatching was the yellow 'mistake' glyph rather than ??

Hanging your queen is not always a blunder.

Case in point!

1.Re1 would hang the queen, but would not be a blunder.

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ThrillerFan wrote:
piedraven wrote:

My opponent did it just now and the icon that flashed up when rewatching was the yellow 'mistake' glyph rather than ??

Hanging your queen is not always a blunder.

Case in point!

1.Re1 would hang the queen, but would not be a blunder.

That's a deliberate sacrifice to get at the king though. This was just a case of oops I didn't see that knight.

I understand that perhaps this is a case of me overrelying on queens though

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It's not the best move but it can be considered a legitimate sacrifice to advance the game because White is still in a dominant position after trading the Queen for the Kinght. The reality is that at your current rating it was very difficult to convert that into Checkmate, however a stronger player would've easily won as White after trading the Queen for the Knight. After the trade, the best play for White would've involved working the Black King while developing pieces on the left side of the board. The two Rooks, Bishop and Knight could've easily overwhelmed the solo Queen.

Once in a dominant position it's often a good strategy to trade off pieces, even if at a material loss, providing that the resulting position is winning. The initial trade isn't the easiest path to victory so it should be considered a Mistake but it's not the critical error which lost the game.

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CraigIreland wrote:

It's not the best move but it can be considered a legitimate sacrifice to advance the game because White is still in a dominant position after trading the Queen for the Kinght. The reality is that at your current rating it was very difficult to convert that into Checkmate, however a stronger player would've easily won as White after trading the Queen for the Knight. After the trade, the best play for White would've involved working the Black King while developing pieces on the left side of the board. The two Rooks, Bishop and Knight could've easily overwhelmed the solo Queen.

Thanks for re-explaining further because I've honestly been left confused. I was wondering how the hell the move could be anything but a blunder when it opened the way for me to go on the rampage with my queen taking pieces left and right. I'm mid 600s so I wouldn't know how a stronger player would go about converting as White.

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Essentially if you're in a completely losing position, chess.com makes it so that things like hanging a queen or blundering mate in 1 are only mistakes, likely since you're already completely lost so you can't really throw the position

The inverse can happen in a completely winning position. After hanging the queen, white still had a completely winning position, so it wasn't counted as a blunder

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Here's how it might've played out with stronger players. It's actually very difficult to find meaningful moves for Black without further mistakes from White. Black's best play amounts to delaying the inevitable while setting a trap with a little counterplay.