How good would you have to be to beat a queenless magnus

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llama36
BreakTos wrote:
nMsALpg wrote

Queenless vs GM would be easy at 2400. Hikaru gets away with it because he starts with his queen and chooses where and when to sacrifice it... often for a whole piece. That's a lot easier than starting without a queen.

Maybe you are right , Still whenever i pick a book to read and author starts mentioning about how great the move was played because of deep positional factors , I get reminded of Hikaru thanking subs and pushing for 2500 and should i be really focusing on these as even extra Queen is not enough to bring me a win 🙂

Well, there is a zero % chance he could do it in a 30 minute game. He wins because his opponents have to play fast.

It's the same when a GM plays 50 people at the same time. It takes a normal player a long time to understand a position and make some calculations, but a GM's huge amount of experience allows them to understand the position in just a few seconds.

llama36
sloweyra wrote:

i like basketball but you have to be really good at basketball to be able to play it professionally for a living.

what i don't understand is why people want to spends hours to become a GM and struggle to make a good salary when they could have spent all that time playing basketball and could be in the NBA.  and then this person fishts could post pictures of you into this forum

Y-you really needed to make a 2nd account to say this?

I think we get it, there's something about liking chess that makes you feel uncomfortable with yourself, and by expressing it in a public forum it helps you get some of these thoughts out and maybe you're also hoping someone will argue with you that chess is as cool as basketball so you don't have to hate yourself for liking chess.

But we don't know you. No one cares. Maybe you're a kid? Well then here's a tip... when you're an adult no one cares what you like. Maybe chess is not cool in your school, but in a few years all of that goes away. You enter the real world where there's no such thing as "being cool" and people don't care what you like.

So if you like chess, then play it. If you don't like it, then don't play it. And most of all, no one cares what you like. Very simple.

sloweyra
nMsALpg wrote: sloweyra wrote:

i like basketball but you have to be really good at basketball to be able to play it professionally for a living.

what i don't understand is why people want to spends hours to become a GM and struggle to make a good salary when they could have spent all that time playing basketball and could be in the NBA.  and then this person fishts could post pictures of you into this forum

Y-you really needed to make a 2nd account to say this?

I think we get it, there's something about liking chess that makes you feel uncomfortable with yourself, and by expressing it in a public forum it helps you get some of these thoughts out and maybe you're also hoping someone will argue with you that chess is as cool as basketball so you don't have to hate yourself for liking chess.

But we don't know you. No one cares. Maybe you're a kid? Well then here's a tip... when you're an adult no one cares what you like. Maybe chess is not cool in your school, but in a few years all of that goes away. You enter the real world where there's no such thing as "being cool" and people don't care what you like.

So if you like chess, then play it. If you don't like it, then don't play it. And most of all, no one cares what you like. Very simple.

do you like chess ?

llama36
sloweyra wrote:

do you like chess ?

Not in the sense that most people would think.

I've played chess so long that it's more like... "a part of me" sounds too corny. Maybe I could say it like this... chess is like a language to me. I enjoy passing the time by chatting in that language, and I'll probably continue to do it until I die. But do I "like" it? I don't really like it, it's more like something I do... guess it's hard to explain.

For example... do I like posting on the forums? Not really. But it's a small challenge, you know, reading what people write and responding. It's just part of how I interact and express myself. That's what chess is like to me.

snoozyman

About 2200

Chesserroo2

At 1400, I won 1/4 games against Stockfish with queen odds. 

I was told by a 2200 they can beat grandmasters with knight odds. 

I was also told that once you reach 2000, forcing a win with queen odds against even the strongest opponent is easy.

I can beat 800 rated players with queen odds, but 1000 is too strong for me.

idilis

Surprised. Was under the impression that a 1500 fide otb in rapid or slower should beat anyone offering queen's odds.

idilis
fishts wrote:

Hakeem had a great legacy.  *Snip garbage*

sloweyra
idilis wrote: fishts wrote:

Hakeem had a great legacy.  *Snip garbage*

 

I think he wrote Hakeem  not Akeem.  Get it right Eddie Murphy

sloweyra
nMsALpg wrote: sloweyra wrote:

do you like chess ?

Not in the sense that most people would think.

I've played chess so long that it's more like... "a part of me" sounds too corny. Maybe I could say it like this... chess is like a language to me. I enjoy passing the time by chatting in that language, and I'll probably continue to do it until I die. But do I "like" it? I don't really like it, it's more like something I do... guess it's hard to explain.

For example... do I like posting on the forums? Not really. But it's a small challenge, you know, reading what people write and responding. It's just part of how I interact and express myself. That's what chess is like to me.

chess is a hard game

what food do you like to eat when playing a game ?

DanielAn
Hikaru is generally looking for 4 points (piece + pawn) and manufacturing a closed position in his queen sack videos. In that scenario he has been able to achieve 2500 (which is amazing) though some of it is flagging his opponent in worse positions.

Starting a game without a Queen is different, I think a 2,000 rated player would comfortably beat queenless Magnus and I think 1800 would beat him more often than not. Particularly if it was over multiple games where the opponent was able to get his bearings.
llama36
idilis wrote:

Surprised. Was under the impression that a 1500 fide otb in rapid or slower should beat anyone offering queen's odds.

Nah.

1500 vs 1500 they don't give away pieces to each other, but 1500 would still blunder pieces to tactics if they're playing a GM.

 

xor_eax_eax05
Chesserroo2 wrote:

At 1400, I won 1/4 games against Stockfish with queen odds. 

I find that very hard to believe. Is this Stockfish at level 20 with the "unleashed" option set? Allow it to think during your turn too? What time controls? No way you can beat Stockfish in full strength mode, running in a modern multicore PC, in a 5 or 10 minute game (both sides same time control).

ConfusedGhoul

It's laughable how no one in this thread has played against people with a true FIDE rating, all the people I know with 1200+ FIDE would beat anyone up a queen in Classical game

Jalex13
ConfusedGhoul wrote:

It's laughable how no one in this thread has played against people with a true FIDE rating, all the people I know with 1200+ FIDE would beat anyone up a queen in Classical game

Let’s consider our sources, shall we? 

xor_eax_eax05
ConfusedGhoul wrote:

It's laughable how no one in this thread has played against people with a true FIDE rating, all the people I know with 1200+ FIDE would beat anyone up a queen in Classical game

So a 1200+ FIDE spans quite a big playerbase. You are saying a 1300 a Queen up would beat anyone, including GMs, in Classical? Ok.

Jalex13
He’s already shown his ignorance by saying that no one had played people with a true FIDE rating. By making that assumption, he’s lost any credibility he might have had. Not to mention that he’s an online speed chess player.

How much classical have you played @ConfusedGhoul?
Jalex13
Assumptions are strange
ConfusedGhoul

#47 lmao and what kind of correlation is there between the fact that I occasionally play meaningless bullet games when I'm bored and the fact that I'm a Classical player? How bad do you have to blunder to not win a Queen up? You can even blunder a full rook and you would still be the favorite. Material is important, a queen is a queen and it's enough to compensate for a big skill difference

Jalex13
It was not necessarily what was said, but how it was said.