How sound were my sacs?

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westcoastchess

what about 6.Bxd5

westcoastchess

not sure if theyre sound, but that was a great combo :)

thesexyknight
westcoastchess wrote:

what about 6.Bxd5


I think he didn't want me to play 6...Bh3

ADK

I don't know the definition of sound sacrifices, but they were amazing  nonetheless. : )

ADK

orangehonda

After 9. Nd2 -- yuck.  This boring crap set up, I don't know what you call no play on chess.com but this is just junk.

Anyway I thought your sacs were good :) he probably accepted the e pawn because he didn't see the rook sac.

Of course taking the rook was silly -- I think I would have gone for 22.Nd3 then walked my king to a2 with maybe not a bad game?  You were so much more active so maybe not.  The knight sac just leads to a mate as far as I can see, perfect sac conditions though, and great game Smile

ARandomPerson
thesexyknight wrote:
westcoastchess wrote:

what about 6.Bxd5


I think he didn't want me to play 6...Bh3


 h3 was still covered by the knight, though...

thesexyknight
ARandomPerson wrote:
thesexyknight wrote:
westcoastchess wrote:

what about 6.Bxd5


I think he didn't want me to play 6...Bh3


 h3 was still covered by the knight, though...


True enough! Maybe he just didn't want to fall behind on deployment? Idk. Or perhaps he just missed the move. But it would be a bit insane to end up making 4 moves just for that bishop. 1. Moving pawn to fianchetto 2. Fianchetto 3. capture 4. Retreat after being threatened.

orangehonda

You should have put this in showcase :)

chemaster0016

Your sacrifices were sound enough, and in the case of many attacks, that's all that's important. I read somewhere on this site (and I don't remember the author exactly, but I'm pretty sure he was either an IM or a GM) that in an attack like this it's not always so important to get the attack right as it is to get it moving.

thesexyknight
orangehonda wrote:

After 9. Nd2 -- yuck.  This boring crap set up, I don't know what you call no play on chess.com but this is just junk.

Anyway I thought your sacs were good :) he probably accepted the e pawn because he didn't see the rook sac.

Of course taking the rook was silly -- I think I would have gone for 22.Nd3 then walked my king to a2 with maybe not a bad game?  You were so much more active so maybe not.  The knight sac just leads to a mate as far as I can see, perfect sac conditions though, and great game


Not taking the rook would have lost him another pawn on f2. Which I'm assuming is what he saw, that and a massive material gain.

 

And the knight sac wasn't a guarenteed mate in that many moves. He could have played Kc3, like I expected, but there are a few ugly variations for white coming off of that. I suppose that position for the king woulda looked uneasy with the placement of my queen and pawn in it's proximity. Oh well, it was a fun game to play, especially the fella's reaction. I don't think he'd ever been so far ahead on material and lost. He was definately not full of christmas spirit.

thesexyknight
orangehonda wrote:

You should have put this in showcase :)


Showcase just feels a bit too much like showing off. I'd rather know exactly how I screwed up b4 I do that so i can post it in annotations so that people with 1000 ratings won't think I"m a chess god.

orangehonda
thesexyknight wrote:
orangehonda wrote:

After 9. Nd2 -- yuck.  This boring crap set up, I don't know what you call no play on chess.com but this is just junk.

Anyway I thought your sacs were good :) he probably accepted the e pawn because he didn't see the rook sac.

Of course taking the rook was silly -- I think I would have gone for 22.Nd3 then walked my king to a2 with maybe not a bad game?  You were so much more active so maybe not.  The knight sac just leads to a mate as far as I can see, perfect sac conditions though, and great game


Not taking the rook would have lost him another pawn on f2. Which I'm assuming is what he saw, that and a massive material gain.

 

And the knight sac wasn't a guarenteed mate in that many moves. He could have played Kc3, like I expected, but there are a few ugly variations for white coming off of that. I suppose that position for the king woulda looked uneasy with the placement of my queen and pawn in it's proximity. Oh well, it was a fun game to play, especially the fella's reaction. I don't think he'd ever been so far ahead on material and lost. He was definately not full of christmas spirit.


My idea Nd3 covered f2 :) but still you're much more active.

I looked a bit at Kc3 and thought it was pretty bad -- I'm sure you looked at it much longer though.  Like you said seems pretty tough for him in any case.

lol @ christmas spirit :)  I lost a tourney game to an opponent who saced 3 minor pieces (I got one back quickly so maybe only 2) it was after an opening blunder and I deserved to loose... but holy crap... probably how he felt too.

thesexyknight
orangehonda wrote:
thesexyknight wrote:
orangehonda wrote:

After 9. Nd2 -- yuck.  This boring crap set up, I don't know what you call no play on chess.com but this is just junk.

Anyway I thought your sacs were good :) he probably accepted the e pawn because he didn't see the rook sac.

Of course taking the rook was silly -- I think I would have gone for 22.Nd3 then walked my king to a2 with maybe not a bad game?  You were so much more active so maybe not.  The knight sac just leads to a mate as far as I can see, perfect sac conditions though, and great game


Not taking the rook would have lost him another pawn on f2. Which I'm assuming is what he saw, that and a massive material gain.

 

And the knight sac wasn't a guarenteed mate in that many moves. He could have played Kc3, like I expected, but there are a few ugly variations for white coming off of that. I suppose that position for the king woulda looked uneasy with the placement of my queen and pawn in it's proximity. Oh well, it was a fun game to play, especially the fella's reaction. I don't think he'd ever been so far ahead on material and lost. He was definately not full of christmas spirit.


My idea Nd3 covered f2 :) but still you're much more active.

I looked a bit at Kc3 and thought it was pretty bad -- I'm sure you looked at it much longer though.  Like you said seems pretty tough for him in any case.

lol @ christmas spirit :)  I lost a tourney game to an opponent who saced 3 minor pieces (I got one back quickly so maybe only 2) it was after an opening blunder and I deserved to loose... but holy crap... probably how he felt too.


Lol honda, this was a speed chess game, I looked at most of these moves for about 5-10 seconds. I spent about 20 before the pawn sac to figure out if the rook sac would bring about a good looking scenerio or bad.

thesexyknight

orangehonda

I didn't look at the game carfully -- I see now that it says speed chess -- I take back what I said about the junk set up, this is fine for blitz chess for sure.

Just a few seconds is good intuitive sacs then -- I like how effectivly his passive play was punished.

Don't know how fast this game was -- but with the opponent being so defensive I'm surprised he took the pawn to open up his king which is clearly stuck in the middle for a few moves.  If you guys had a re-match I wonder if he tried to castle more quickly or play agressively to make up for such a crushing loss.

thesexyknight

5 mins

monkey_bits

holy s***! wonderful sacrifice, capt. sexyknight

orangehonda

Edit -- I apologise for not looking at your sub line when you give the mate in your notes.  After pawn takes knight what about playing d4?  Or maybe even Ba3?  Of course your move pawn takes knight seems better than the one I give where white looks actually winning Tongue out

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing with b6 is white's a rook and a knight up, he could care less about material, he's going to be looking for breathing room.  When I looked at it I was looking at Rc8.

Of course there might be a mate in there for b6, it certainly looks dangerous, and it's easily possible that I just missed it / a better defense.

thesexyknight
orangehonda wrote:

The thing with b6 is white's a rook and a knight up, he could care less about material, he's going to be looking for breathing room.  When I looked at it I was looking at Rc8.

Of course there might be a mate in there for b6, it certainly looks dangerous, and it's easily possible that I just missed it / a better defense.


I guess it's agreed that by the Knight sac the game was sealed. I'll stick to that unless some master decides to look at this forum topic and declares otherwise. :)