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long_quach
Tyler65265 wrote:

this is an unusually debated topic

can someone explain to me why this matters so much to so many people

A McDonald's took over a Roy Rogers location.

It demolished the Roy Rogers and built a McDonald's, at a cost of about $2,000,000 USD.

Functionally, they are identical!

But a McDonald's has to be instantly recognized as such. Just for the look and the recognition, the cost was $2M, USD.

DrSpudnik
long_quach wrote:
Tyler65265 wrote:

this is an unusually debated topic

can someone explain to me why this matters so much to so many people

A McDonald's took over a Roy Rogers location.

It demolished the Roy Rogers and built a McDonald's, at a cost of about $2,000,000 USD.

Functionally, they are identical!

But a McDonald's has to be instantly recognized as such. Just for the look and the recognition, the cost was $2M, USD.

Aside from changing the outward appearance of the building to match the McDonald's brand recognition, there is also the important drive-through, the layout of the kitchen and service counter which would require that everything be torn up and reorganized and replaced anyhow.

Plus you need to take into account the age of the existing building. Most commercial real estate stand-alone buildings are probably meant for a 20-30 year lifespan anyhow.

long_quach

@DrSpudnik

Hmm. Like the Transformers, there is more than meets the eye.

long_quach

Algebraic can also correct for if you move the wrong color.

Think about it. Algebraic is less error prone.

There is only one N-C3

Less prone to dyslexia.

Black's Knight or White's Knight?

King side or Queen's side?

long_quach

While my logic, knowledge, intuition, and imagination are correct, I wish @batgirl is here. Time to put up the Bat Signal.

A message from @batgirl

https://www.chess.com/article/view/notation-1

long_quach

I also thought of numbering the squares from 1 to 64, in a "Batman decoder ring from a cereal box" style.

It was also already invented.

Also from @batgirl

https://www.chess.com/article/view/notation-1#comment-26564138

ThrillerFan
long_quach wrote:

Algebraic can also correct for if you move the wrong color.

Think about it. Algebraic is less error prone.

There is only one N-C3

Less prone to dyslexia.

Black's Knight or White's Knight?

King side or Queen's side?

Kingside or queenside is easy.

If both can occur, like on move 1, you say N-KB3 or N-QB3. It is like how in algebraic, Rfd1 vs Rad1, Descriptive would be KR-Q1 and QR-Q1.

Now what might be confusing is, Let's say you are in an endgame, and the Rook that started on h1, or KR1, has gone R-QB1 (Rc1 - assume N is still on b1 so no clarifier needed) and now the other rook goes R-R3 and R-KB3, and now you want to go "Rcc3", because that rook is further to White's left ot Black's right, it eould be QR-B3, even though it was the rook that started on the kingside.

The thing I like better about algebraic is Nd5 for White or ...Nd5 for Black result in the Knight going to the same square.

N-Q4 and ...N-Q4 are NOT the same square. Q4 for a White piece is d4. Q4 for a Black piece is d5.

Also, the clarifiers can get a little clunky at times. For example, take the following:

So now the choices of rook captures are:

cxd5 - BPxR

exd5 - KPxQR

exf5 - KPxKR

gxf5 - NPxKR

Or even worse:

So what clarifiers do we need here if a Black knight pawn is captured?

You would think something like QBPxQNP, but no. Once you clarify QBP, or the c-pawn in algebraic, only 2 pawns can be taken, and only one of those two is a knight pawn, the other a queen pawn, so cxb5 is QBPxNP. If White did not have his f-pawn, or if it was say on, f2, then it would just be BPxNP.

Algebraic is just easier. Can do it easily without coordinates on the board. Like the Alekhine 4 pawns (using an opening I don't play to illustrate so you don't claim move memory like in the French) would be 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.f4. Descriptive I have to think about each move.

long_quach
ThrillerFan wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Less prone to dyslexia.

Kingside or queenside is easy.

If both can occur, like on move 1, you say N-KB3 or N-QB3.

You forget the key word: dyslexia.

long_quach
ThrillerFan wrote:

Now what might be confusing is, Let's say you are in an endgame, and the Rook that started on h1, or KR1, has gone R-QB1

A work-around was that pieces were labeled as K or Q on the pieces.

long_quach
long_quach wrote:

I also thought of numbering the squares from 1 to 64, in a "Batman decoder ring from a cereal box" style.

It was also already invented. from @batgirl

https://www.chess.com/article/view/notation-1#comment-26564138

I remembered that in the back of my mind. I should watch the movie again.

It is a joke. But contained in most jokes is the truth.

I am learning Chinese. How would you look up a Chinese glyph, without having the glyph in electronic form, Unicode (like ASCII)?

We are talking pen and paper and paper dictionary.

I learned (from a Japanese video on YouTube ironically), that Kanji is picto-phonetic.

You have to learn the 200 base words, just like in English.

Aqua = water. Aquarium, aquatic, aqueduct. Hydro = water (Greek I think). Hydrate, hydrogen, hydraulics.

Chinese Calligraphy: From Pictograph to Ideogram: The History of 214 Essential Chinese/Japanese Characters

Edoardo Fazzioli

ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0896597747

How would I look a word say a "bishop" in Chinese Chess.

It means "government minister".

You have to know the 200 base words.

木 tree and 目 eye. The semantic is "to oversee, to supervise (to look from above, vid, video = see, Latin)

Let's try 木 tree. The writing order is left to right, top to bottom.

https://zhongwen.com/

I visually pick out 木 tree from 200 radicals, root words.

There's too many of them. Let's pick out something similar.

柑 = 木 tree + 甘 sweet = tangerine.

That's not it. Let's click on the glyph tree from there. 木.

And there it is on the grid at the bottom.

In Cartesian, glyph (3,3).

In Algebraic = C3.

Amazing, isn't it? Just like a Batman decoder ring or something.

Open image in new tab and magnify.

long_quach

I'm testing myself out, in the actual print version of the website.

https://zhongwen.com/

Chinese Characters: A Genealogy and Dictionary (English and Mandarin Chinese Edition)

Rick Harbaugh

ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0966075007


the base glyph is 木 tree.

It is the 77 th glyph in the table of contents.

That begins on page 231.

Keep going, keep going.

There is a grid of all the glyphs on page 239.

There it is (3,3) Cartesian. It is coded as 114/20. (You need a magnifying glass).

114/20, there it is.

相 = prime minister.

Page 292.

Something straight of the movie Spies Like Us.

magipi
long_quach wrote:

Metric is a bad idea.

Everything is based on water.

(...)

Take a distance of that fraction of the circumference of the Earth. Make a cube container. Fill it with water.

And that's how much I weigh.

It is ridiculous.


The most amazing thing about long_quach is that he writes nonsense like this in every post. And he writes 100 posts in every topic. No one will even notice what he wrote, because 30 minutes later he had 10 more posts, about McDonalds, about Chinese writing and about Go. And none of that has even the slightest connection to reality. Let alone to chess notation.

DrSpudnik
magipi wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Metric is a bad idea.

Everything is based on water.

(...)

Take a distance of that fraction of the circumference of the Earth. Make a cube container. Fill it with water.

And that's how much I weigh.

It is ridiculous.


The most amazing thing about long_quach is that he writes nonsense like this in every post. And he writes 100 posts in every topic. No one will even notice what he wrote, because 30 minutes later he had 10 more posts, about McDonalds, about Chinese writing and about Go. And none of that has even the slightest connection to reality. Let alone to chess notation.

The posts do tend to come across as the musings of a nutcase.

The Metric system is based on water.
I too am based on water and full of iron.
Planet Earth covered with water and has an iron core.
Like the Earth, I am a water balloon running from children with pins!
Still I can't figure how many grams to a kilometer!!!

long_quach
DrSpudnik wrote:
magipi wrote:
 

The posts do tend to come across as the musings of a nutcase.

The Metric system is based on water.

The Metric system is based on water. What else would it be based on?

Water freezes at 0° C and boils at 100° C.

1 calorie is the heat needed to raise 1 gram of water 1° C.

A kilogram is 1 liter of water.

and 1 liter is a cube of a whole decimal fraction of the circumference of the Earth.

long_quach

A notation system at a fundamental level is an encoding and decoding system.

If a system is logical, you can even pin point a Chinese glyph among thousands.

Exactly like a Batman decoder ring.

long_quach
DrSpudnik wrote:

Still I can't figure how many grams to a kilometer!!!

1 kilogram = 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm container of water.

You do the math.

Metric is based on water.

magipi
long_quach wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
magipi wrote:
 

The posts do tend to come across as the musings of a nutcase.

The Metric system is based on water.

The Metric system is based on water. What else would it be based on?

Water freezes at 0° C and boils at 100° C.

1 calorie is the heat needed to raise 1 gram of water 1° C.

A kilogram is 1 liter of water.

and 1 liter is a cube of a whole decimal fraction of the circumference of the Earth.

Everything you write is complete nonsense. Again.

Celsius is not the official part of the metric system. (Kelvin is). Liter has nothing to do with water (never did). Kilogram has nothing to do with water since 1799. Meter is not defined in relation to Earth's circumference since 1799.

long_quach
magipi wrote:

The most amazing thing about long_quach is that he writes nonsense like this in every post. No one will even notice what he wrote. . . about Go. And none of that has even the slightest connection to reality. Let alone to chess notation.

Go is a Chinese/Japanese game.

The Algebraic Notation is so logical that it is adopted in Go. The Japanese language doesn't even have an alphabet.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/i-wonder-why-algebraic-notation?page=16#comment-97022351

long_quach
magipi wrote:

Everything you write is complete nonsense. Again.

1. Celsius is not the official part of the metric system. (Kelvin is).

2. Liter has nothing to do with water (never did).

3. Kilogram has nothing to do with water since 1799.

4. Meter is not defined in relation to Earth's circumference since 1799.

1. Find me a thermometer with Kelvin on it.

2. A kilogram is defined as a liter of water, originally.

3. Vice versa of the above.

4. Same as above. A meter defined as a whole decimal fraction of the circumference of the Earth originally. Whatever the refinement, the original base still stands.

long_quach
magipi wrote:

Everything you write is complete nonsense. Again.

Celsius is not the official part of the metric system. (Kelvin is).

When was the last time you heard weather forecast on TV in Kelvin?