That's a good question. People already memorize whole games that are notable, so I don't think it would be a stretch to memorize "the perfect game". In which case you'd basically either have to rule out people playing that game, or just not play.
You make an assumption that there is only one perfect game.
If chess is indeed a draw, many 1st White moves (maybe all) probably retains this status. And for all of those, multiple Black replies, etc etc....
Since I have no clue how a computer can solve chess, I put your question in the 'Do gods exist?' file.
It seems pretty clear as to what he means by "solve chess".
That's a good question. People already memorize whole games that are notable, so I don't think it would be a stretch to memorize "the perfect game". In which case you'd basically either have to rule out people playing that game, or just not play.
firstly if you memorize the perfect game and try playing it and your opponent chooses a different opening you will be reduced to your original level and no man is that perfect + it would last for 100 moves i think and one different if slightly inferior move could make you lose your game
Since I have no clue how a computer can solve chess, I put your question in the 'Do gods exist?' file.
It seems pretty clear as to what he means by "solve chess".
That's a good question. People already memorize whole games that are notable, so I don't think it would be a stretch to memorize "the perfect game". In which case you'd basically either have to rule out people playing that game, or just not play.
Really? Why don't you explain how to solve chess.
Where did I say that I know how to solve chess? If you read carefully, I didn't. What it would mean to solve chess would be to find a line for one side or another that can't be beaten no matter what responses are given (i.e., for any given response the line can branch off to another unbeatable line).
And it's a good point that there wouldn't necessarily have to be one of them.
No, why would I. I might quit playing computers, but until I start running intoof human players who have memorized all permutations of the "magic line", it won't matter to me.
FWIW, I don't think there is a magic line. If chess were solveable, computers would have done it by now.
Since I have no clue how a computer can solve chess, I put your question in the 'Do gods exist?' file.
It seems pretty clear as to what he means by "solve chess".
That's a good question. People already memorize whole games that are notable, so I don't think it would be a stretch to memorize "the perfect game". In which case you'd basically either have to rule out people playing that game, or just not play.
Really? Why don't you explain how to solve chess.
Where did I say that I know how to solve chess? If you read carefully, I didn't. What it would mean to solve chess would be to find a line for one side or another that can't be beaten no matter what responses are given (i.e., for any given response the line can branch off to another unbeatable line).
And it's a good point that there wouldn't necessarily have to be one of them.
You should take your own advice and "read carefully". I didn't say I don't know what the OP means, I said I can't imagine how a computer could do it.
If chess were solveable, computers would have done it by now.
if the earth was round, the oceans would have run off the sides by now.
i mean, how else can the water stay there? it's gotta be flat.
What if man solves chess? Will the computers quit playing?
There was a short story once where Alekhine, on his deathbed, recounted the story of when he was at the St Petersburg tournament and an old Russian peasant came to his hotel room claiming to have found a way for White to checkmate in twelve moves from the initial position. Alekhine, at first scornful, eventually got the pieces out and let the old man try it out. Twelve moves later he looked at the board in amazement. "Do that again!". The old man obliged. After losing in twelve moves several times over, Alekhine rushed along the corridor to fetch Lasker. Same result. The two grandmasters looked at each other in horror as they realized that chess was now solved...
"And then?" asks the listener. "Then?" whispers Alekhine, almost with his last breath. "Why, we killed him, of course."
Bigpoison and Gil-Gandel, you both made me laugh hard... XD
BTW Gil-Gandel, Is that an elvish name?
No. It's not like I'm ever going to play that computer.
FWIW, I don't think there is a magic line. If chess were solveable, computers would have done it by now.
I don't think there is a magic line, exactly. I'm pretty sure that with correct play, white will always win or draw if he plays d4. But whites next move obviously has to change depending on blacks response. A winning "line" that only works if black plays along is pretty pointless.
Chess is, by nature, solvable. There are a fininte number of squares on the board, a finite number of pieces available, and a finite number of positions. In theory, every possible position could be analyzed, looking at every possible response, so that the best possible move in every position was known in a database.
In practice, that hasn't been done because the numbers, while finite, are huge, vast, gargantuan.
But computers have been around for roughly 50 years, and there have been amazing advances in those 50 years. All evidence is that they will continue to advance. In addition to each individual computer having more power than before, there are now many distributed computing systems which allow one computer do a small piece of the work, while at the same time, many other computers are doing their own small piece.
And chess theory has always been popular on computers. Even the low level computer programs now have opening databases, and endgame tablebases. It seems unlikely that as computers get stronger, people will stop using them to analyze chess.
I'd be much more likely to bet that chess *will* be solved at some point. Not this year, and perhaps not even in my lifetime, but sooner or later, it seems almost inevitable.
In practice, that hasn't been done because the numbers, while finite, are huge, vast, gargantuan.
You had me at huge, you bad boy.
I'm not quitting chess until I solve it. That's a modest goal, right?
The only reason for somebody to quit chess is if they solve it themselves.
i'll make sure to memorize the "perfect" strategy
I probably would. I quit playing Tic Tac Toe because I solved it.
I'm glad to see most people would continue to play chess.
Gil-Gandel: Hahaha.
That is a great story. Somehow I've never heard that one.