Is chess a SPORT?

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Darth_Algar
PaullHutchh wrote:

Chess is a sport and it should be in the Olympics by now.

No thanks. FIDE is corrupt enough itself. I'd hate to see another corrupt organization muddying the waters even more.

kleelof
Darth_Algar wrote:
kleelof wrote:
Darth_Algar wrote:
kleelof wrote:
Darth_Algar wrote:
For a more complete view of the word, its origins and various usages: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sport

First line:

From Old French desport, variant of deport (fun, amusement), from Latin deportāre, present active infinitive of deportō.

"fun" and "amusement" ARE NOT used to describe sports, but rather describes the French variant.

Talke about being selective in your definition.

Right, because words completely lose meaning when they migrate to other areas and/or pronounciation and spelling change some.

In this case, yes.

If 'fun' and 'amusement' were still considered descriptions for the word 'sport', they would have carried over to modern dictionaries.

Sorry, but you can't ignore the etymology, the foundation, of a word just because it doesn't match your narrow pre-conceived notions.

As an English teacher and one who loves words and their histories, I really doubt my 'notions' can be considered narrow and pre-conceived.

In this case, you are refering to the French word 'desport' which, as it said at the Wiki article YOU posted, is a variant of the world 'deport',which means 'fun and amusing'. This means that it may share some similarities with the root or parent word, but not all of them.

For example, the word gynmastics is derived from the Greek word gymnos, which means naked or to train nude. However, for better or worse, gymnastics does not involve nudity.

Darth_Algar

But modern gymnastics does involve training does it not? Thus the etymological base for the word is still present. For an English teacher it amases me that you do not get this. Then again I've had English teachers who have said "warsh" instead of "wash", so maybe it shouldn't amaze me.

kleelof
Darth_Algar wrote:

But modern gymnastics does involve training does it not? Thus the etymological base for the word is still present. For an English teacher it amases me that you do not get this. Then again I've had English teachers who have said "warsh" instead of "wash", so maybe it shouldn't amaze me.

You really shouldn't medle in topics you clearly have no education or knowledge of.

kleelof
Darth_Algar wrote:

 I've had English teachers who have said "warsh" instead of "wash", 

By the way, this is called a dialet variant and has absolutely nothing to do with ones ability to teach English. 

You're an American. Go spend a few years in England and you will get tired of anal retentive nitpickers talking about your usage of verbs as nouns, agreement verbs and general pronunciation that 'warsh' won't seem so bad.Laughing

MuhammadAreez10

kleelof wrote:

Darth_Algar wrote:

But modern gymnastics does involve training does it not? Thus the etymological base for the word is still present. For an English teacher it amases me that you do not get this. Then again I've had English teachers who have said "warsh" instead of "wash", so maybe it shouldn't amaze me.

You really shouldn't medle in topics you clearly have no education or knowledge of.

Seconded.

richb8888

Chess is a competitve game, you never hear poker players go on and on saying that poker is a sport.

Darth_Algar
richb8888 wrote:

Chess is a competitve game, you never hear poker players go on and on saying that poker is a sport.

Baseball and football are nothing more than competitave games, yet no one would argue that they are not sport.

MuhammadAreez10

richb8888 wrote:

Chess is a competitve game, you never hear poker players go on and on saying that poker is a sport.

There is a huge difference between chess and poker. Poker is a game of chance and luck, chess is pure skill.

kleelof
richb8888 wrote:

Chess is a competitve game, you never hear poker players go on and on saying that poker is a sport.

Of course. Because their friends only care about if they are in or out.

kleelof
LongIslandMark wrote:
I have seen some references that "a nice girl" was current slang a few centuries ago for a woman of questionable repute.

I'd say she must be a VERY nice girl then.

Chicken_Monster
MuhammadAreez10 wrote:

richb8888 wrote:

Chess is a competitve game, you never hear poker players go on and on saying that poker is a sport.

 

There is a huge difference between chess and poker. Poker is a game of chance and luck, chess is pure skill.

As a former semi-professional poker player, I can tell you a couple of things. Generally speaking, poker players are less elitest compare to chess players (unless the poker player becomes famously rich at a young age).

Poker is a game of skill, with elements of chance and luck.

Chess is a game of skill, with elements of chance and luck.

More luck is involved in poker; however, both GAMES (not sports) require incredible amounts of skill and knowledge to play at very high levels.

MuhammadAreez10

Chicken_Monster wrote:

MuhammadAreez10 wrote:

richb8888 wrote:

Chess is a competitve game, you never hear poker players go on and on saying that poker is a sport.

 

There is a huge difference between chess and poker. Poker is a game of chance and luck, chess is pure skill.

As a former semi-professional poker player, I can tell you a couple of things. Generally speaking, poker players are less elitest compare to chess players (unless the poker player becomes famously rich at a young age).

Poker is a game of skill, with elements of chance and luck.

Chess is a game of skill, with elements of chance and luck.

More luck is involved in poker; however, both GAMES (not sports) require incredible amounts of skill and knowledge to play at very high levels.

How is chance involved in chess? Now please don't say that moving first is luck.

Chicken_Monster
AlCzervik wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:

Golf is the most difficult sport I have ever tried.

You hit a ball with a stick. Run after it. Find it. Hit it again. Repeat.

The most frustrating and rewarding experience in a single round.

Allow me to edit your description.

Golf is a game where there is no defense. The ball is sitting there. You have 14 clubs assigned to hit the ball the distance you wish. It's up to you to make it happen. The other difference is that one great shot in golf only equals one stroke. A hole in one will be remembered (and is cool as hell to have a "1" on a card!), but, what did you do the other 17 holes?

On the other 17 holes I typically hit it into the defense (water, sand traps, trees, people). It's such a tough sport even Michael Jordan had trouble with it. And look at his hand-eye-body coordination.

I consider gymnastics a sport.

Cheerleading...well, maybe at the highest levels where it resemble gymnastics or diving a bit..sure...I'll give it the nod for sport.

Chicken_Monster

So if fun and amusement define sports and hunting is a sport...let's see...then serial killing (hunting humans) is a sport?

Hunting and serial killing involve fun and amusement, but for only one party I'm pretty sure.

Is morality a factor?

Give it up Kasparov. Chess is a game, like backgammon.

MuhammadAreez10

Chicken_Monster wrote:

So if fun and amusement define sports and hunting is a sport...let's see...then serial killing (hunting humans) is a sport?

Hunting and serial killing involve fun and amusement, but for only one party I'm pretty sure.

Is morality a factor?

Give it up Kasparov. Chess is a game, like backgammon.

Kasparov no longer plays professional chess!

arul_kumar

Dear Mr. Aarongull, regarding post no7, I would like to inform that in the recent Olimpiyad held in Norway ,Seychelles board2 player,after failing to win a game and since he got only a draw ,collapsed and died. Another Ukraine player died the same night due to extreme stress!

kleelof
BishopxRook wrote:

Seems like this question comes up every other month.

Does no one use the search any more?

WHat search? Google? It just refers you to the 1,000 threads already posted on this topic.

Iluvsmetuna

For the "slow" members, opee asks is chess a sport ? not ... do you class chess as a sport.

zborg

Is Hairsplitting a Sport on Chess.com ?  Most Certainly.

And while the answer to most binary formulated questions is "both,"

that has never stopped these crazy threads.