Is consistently sandbagging your account against the rules?

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llamonade2

Will they ban you for it?

Lord_Hammer

Did you make this topic? 

llamonade2

Yes, because I reported an obvious cheater and an obvious sandbagger.

The obvious cheater was banned in a few days, and now it's a few weeks later and the sandbagger's account is still open.

llamonade2

Well, I said "a few weeks" but it's actually 8 days.

vesyal

What’s Sandbagging

 

Laskersnephew

What is the point of sandbagging at Chess,com. In real life, successfully lower your rating might allow you to, for example, win the Class C prize when you are actually a strong Class B player. This way, you might pick up a nice cash prize. But as far as I know, there are no cash prizes on Chess,com, so what can you possibly gain by artificially lowering your rating. At best, you get to win some games against much weaker players, which sounds more like a boring waste of time than anything else. 

Nghtstalker

Just play and enjoy, and learn!   Sandbaggers and cheaters only hurt themselves...   Btw I am actually 2400 rating....  I am just waiting to lower my score more so I can humiliate everyone.  :  ))

MorphysMayhem
CRYYSIS wrote:
vesyal wrote:

What’s Sandbagging

 

Decreasing your rating on purpose

And then winning against the 800-1000 ( rated players ) 

Wow, what a lofty goal. Seriously, why would someone lose a bunch of rating points with the motive that they can later beat up on 1000 rated players???

 

That's like saying - I am going flunk fifth grade 8 years in a row so I can beat all the kids at four square and get the pretty (fifth grade) girl even though I should be in college now.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

And can you say creepy????

llamonade2
RedGirlZ wrote:

Unless it's blatantly obvious, like the account has like 20 resignations on 1st/2nd move, then u can't really prove it. 

That's exactly what this person's game history looks like.

Their peak was 1600, years ago, but they stay rated around 600 to 800. The pattern in their game history is:

Win 10 to 20 games in a row.

Lose 10 to 20 games in a row (all of them resigned before move 10)

llamonade2

I've reported people I think should be banned in the past, but when they're not banned I understand that it's probably some non-player in a cubicle reviewing 1000 reports a day who eyeballs the game history and maybe if it looks fishy dumps it into some cheat detection program... and that's it. And even if they do understand things they're probably limited on what they can ban for.

So I don't mention it... but this case I feel like is worth mentioning because I feel like even an idiot can understand how this person is not making the experience fun for any of his/her opponents.

Nghtstalker
RedGirlZ wrote:

MAny people have said this before, but its really hard to prove someones sandbagging. u could accuse someone that's 1800 whos lost against 1300's 5 times in a row a sandbagger, but is he actually sandbagging? how do u prove it?

Unless it's blatantly obvious, like the account has like 20 resignations on 1st/2nd move, then u can't really prove it. 

 

Hence chess.com isn't going to try and punish people based on accusations of sandbagging. if you look at how rules are operated on chess.com, punishment is never dished out unless staff are 100% certain you have broken a rule. This is evident with cheating. they have a very specific way of figuring out a cheater, and if they're not 100% sure they won't ban that player, even if it is likely they are cheating. 

Well said.  

On a site like this there is no way to police everything.  It is a shame that some players do not have manners...

 

llamonade2
Nghtstalker wrote:
RedGirlZ wrote:

MAny people have said this before, but its really hard to prove someones sandbagging. u could accuse someone that's 1800 whos lost against 1300's 5 times in a row a sandbagger, but is he actually sandbagging? how do u prove it?

Unless it's blatantly obvious, like the account has like 20 resignations on 1st/2nd move, then u can't really prove it. 

 

Hence chess.com isn't going to try and punish people based on accusations of sandbagging. if you look at how rules are operated on chess.com, punishment is never dished out unless staff are 100% certain you have broken a rule. This is evident with cheating. they have a very specific way of figuring out a cheater, and if they're not 100% sure they won't ban that player, even if it is likely they are cheating. 

Well said.  

On a site like this there is no way to police everything.  It is a shame that some players do not have manners...

 

I address this on the previous page.

This person's game history makes it obvious.

Nghtstalker

It is possible to ban people who consisently drop, resign games, disconnect games in the first few moves.  And consistent abusers should be banned.  And some reasonable limits should be set.  But the problem for every rule there is someone who finds a way to go against it.....Maybe if people had to pay to play one could have more stringent requirements...

 

llamonade2

I'm not saying to make it a rule that will auto-ban an account. I'm saying when a person is reported for making the site a bad experience for people, that admins should do their job.

llamonade2

Nghtstalker
llamonade2 wrote:

I'm not saying to make it a rule that will auto-ban an account. I'm saying when a person is reported for making the site a bad experience for people, that admins should do their job.

thumbs up

 

llamonade2
Nghtstalker wrote:
llamonade2 wrote:

I'm not saying to make it a rule that will auto-ban an account. I'm saying when a person is reported for making the site a bad experience for people, that admins should do their job.

thumbs up

 

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llamonade2

By the way this person has played over 5000 games.

When I search for losses by resignation and count the number of pages, it gives me an estimate that >95% of the games were lost by resignation and less than 1% by timeout.

IRCC normal stats (Erik himself released a while ago) showed that about 1/3rd of games end in checkmate for this time control.

So what this means is I can conclude this person has been sandbagging through practically all of their 5000+ games. This isn't just some random week old account I have a personal vendetta against or something. And like I said I've reported people who don't get banned before, and I don't say anything about it.

Nghtstalker

I thought I saw there were thousands of games here a day.  i wonder how many complaints there are daily?

52yrral

Sandbagging is considered bad sportsmanship there it should be reported according to TOS

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