is forcing a draw legal?

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dontteIlmymom wrote:

Hi everyone. I started chess couple months ago and I don't have any idea about this topic. As a first, I'm sorry for my ignorance.

More specifically, at my last game I had a 1 pawn and king. But my opponent had only king. He went to corner of the board and he give me no choise to do any move besides sacrificing my last pawn and forced me to draw.
Second situation is at my other game, I was winning, my opponent had a only queen and couple of pawns but without checkmate or any fork situation he just checked me like 20-25 times at different possitions in a row (I made up the number, but it was really too much) but I stucked at there. I couldn't do anything even sacrificing something. He just did without any reasons. And eventually I said can't do that 6 minutes more and I quit.

In those two scenarios are they legal move to do? Because first one can be understandable if it's legal but second is definitely not seems like legal.

Thanks in advance.

1st situation, you need to learn some king and pawn endgames. K+P vs K can be a win or a draw depending on the exact situation. Learning the drawing technique as the side with the K as well as the winning technique as the side with the K+P are both essential skills.

2nd situation, I'm sorry to say this, but you were not winning. You may have been ahead in material... and you may have been winning before this... but when you allowed the perpetual, that was big mistake and the game was drawn, which was shown when your opponent made the best moves available to them and kept checking you.

Now, if it was drawn, why didn't they accept the draw when you offered? Well, they may have been ahead on time and thought they could flag you, which is another acceptable way to play the game. All you can do then is keep playing, making sure not to lose on time, and eventually either they will (make a mistake and) stop the checks and you will be able to win, or the game will be drawn by either 3fold repetition or the 50-move rule (or you might make another mistake and let them get winning chances).

That's the game. It is sometimes said that the hardest game to win is a won game. You must remain vigilant until either resignation or checkmate, because any error might give your opponent a way out, such as allowing a perpetual or a stalemate. This is also why beginners are often told to 'never resign,' because other beginners may not have the skills to pull off the win.

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dontteIlmymom wrote:

Hi everyone. I started chess couple months ago and I don't have any idea about this topic. As a first, I'm sorry for my ignorance.

More specifically, at my last game I had a 1 pawn and king. But my opponent had only king. He went to corner of the board and he give me no choise to do any move besides sacrificing my last pawn and forced me to draw.
Second situation is at my other game, I was winning, my opponent had a only queen and couple of pawns but without checkmate or any fork situation he just checked me like 20-25 times at different possitions in a row (I made up the number, but it was really too much) but I stucked at there. I couldn't do anything even sacrificing something. He just did without any reasons. And eventually I said can't do that 6 minutes more and I quit.

In those two scenarios are they legal move to do? Because first one can be understandable if it's legal but second is definitely not seems like legal.

Thanks in advance.

Blud ain't no way.

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omnipaul wrote:
dontteIlmymom wrote:

Hi everyone. I started chess couple months ago and I don't have any idea about this topic. As a first, I'm sorry for my ignorance.

More specifically, at my last game I had a 1 pawn and king. But my opponent had only king. He went to corner of the board and he give me no choise to do any move besides sacrificing my last pawn and forced me to draw.
Second situation is at my other game, I was winning, my opponent had a only queen and couple of pawns but without checkmate or any fork situation he just checked me like 20-25 times at different possitions in a row (I made up the number, but it was really too much) but I stucked at there. I couldn't do anything even sacrificing something. He just did without any reasons. And eventually I said can't do that 6 minutes more and I quit.

In those two scenarios are they legal move to do? Because first one can be understandable if it's legal but second is definitely not seems like legal.

Thanks in advance.

1st situation, you need to learn some king and pawn endgames. K+P vs K can be a win or a draw depending on the exact situation. Learning the drawing technique as the side with the K as well as the winning technique as the side with the K+P are both essential skills.

2nd situation, I'm sorry to say this, but you were not winning. You may have been ahead in material... and you may have been winning before this... but when you allowed the perpetual, that was big mistake and the game was drawn, which was shown when your opponent made the best moves available to them and kept checking you.

Now, if it was drawn, why didn't they accept the draw when you offered? Well, they may have been ahead on time and thought they could flag you, which is another acceptable way to play the game. All you can do then is keep playing, making sure not to lose on time, and eventually either they will (make a mistake and) stop the checks and you will be able to win, or the game will be drawn by either 3fold repetition or the 50-move rule (or you might make another mistake and let them get winning chances).

That's the game. It is sometimes said that the hardest game to win is a won game. You must remain vigilant until either resignation or checkmate, because any error might give your opponent a way out, such as allowing a perpetual or a stalemate. This is also why beginners are often told to 'never resign,' because other beginners may not have the skills to pull off the win.

Thank for a great explanation man. Appreciate it.

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Sometimes you think you're winning and you're surprised by a draw. Those games are the worst because you were so sure you were going to win. In your second game it wasn't such a surprise. You either fish or you cut bait by taking the draw. Don't feel bad. It's not like he knew it was coming. He just got lucky.

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It can be used to save dead lost positions

Avatar of Chess147

I played a game today which is a good example of squeezing a draw out of a doomed position. I assume my opponent didn't notice the queen trade on move 24 which allowed me to force a draw by repetition. You can use the advanced search feature to list your games that ended in a draw to understand how better to force/avoid them in future games.

Avatar of N_M_DEATH_8817

very much so its just so you don't lose so to me then yes its legal there's no rule against it is there?