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If only. 

OK, I may have you a bit crossed-up with Ubik42 who I argued with yesterday for quite awhile.  You're not so bad, but your "Because - aliens" comments are pushing the boundaries of objectivity.  Again, you think you're being scientific, but astrophysicists are starting to think extraterrestrial life is even likely.  Although one should not assume there are sentient alien life forums visiting our planet until it's proven, I agree.  Nor should the possibility be discounted.  We very well may have been visited by alien life forms in the form of bacteria or viruses or other life forms on meteorites.

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Ok so what are they like. How many of them on Earth?

What are you weaknessess? How long have guys been here and observing us?

I fully believe that extraterrestrial life is not only likely, but a near certainty.  Intelligent, even technological life is also likely given the multitude of opportunity there is for it to arise in the known universe.

But is it here, visiting us on our planet?  I seriously doubt it (for reasons I outlined earlier).  I'd need to see some pretty damned convincing evidence to see it differently, and vague allusions to still classified documents that no-one can actually show anyone, bunk videos and mass hysteria just don't cut it for me.

Talk you stinking green alien.

Intelligent civilizations may be islands in the universe without possible communication, unluckily the speed of light is the maximum speed in which you can transmit information

There's where you blew it.  Totally f*cked up.

"I seriously doubt it"

No.  Wrong.  Unscientific.  Myopic. Narrow minded.

I neither accept it or doubt it.  I hold off serious conjecture.  There is not enough evidence to conclude, and the trends are leaning toward increasing sense of possibility, not decreasing.

Yes, we've seen the Discovery Channel programs where Michio Kaku and Neil deGrasse Tyson and other public science figures discuss the problems, such as how long an advanced civilization might live, when they might peak, the distances involved, etc... But science changes its views all the time.  Right now common sense is that alien life exists, whereas 50 years ago the notion was thought to be complete bunk by science.   

You would be wise to hold off on the extreme or 'serious' doubt or bias, and just stay neutral.  Don't be a sucker, and don't be an obstinate fool either.

but if they are not mystical beings, how do they do to rule out physics laws?

"The universe is huge and old, rare events happen all the time - including life" - Lawrence Krauss

It would be truly remarkable if throughout the entire universe, life only arose on this one planet, don't you think? Just take a look at the Hubble Deep Field! This is an image of a piece of sky about the size of a penny held at arm's length, every object is a galaxy containing billions of stars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HubbleDeepField.800px.jpg

While there are undoubtedly countless advanced civilisations in the universe, there is no hope of making contact with any of them barring the advent of exotic space-time manipulation such as wormholes and the like. Even the nearest galaxy, Andromeda, is 2.5 million light years distant from us. Do you really think it likely that an alien craft is going to make this incredible journey, doubtless spanning thousands of their generation times, only to flit around in the atmosphere, make a few crop circles and interact secretly with our governments?

No, that isn't likely at all. Nonetheless there are probably countless advanced civilisations in our own galaxy. The Drake equation is an attempt to quantify just how many such civilisations exist in the galaxy, although its parameters can be varied too greatly to be very meaningful [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation ].

You realise you're still spelling american-style Scotty?

Seems like this subject is everywhere no matter the title of the thread.

Yeah, but the the metric is of some kind of another, and if it is not Alcubierre's which is highly unlikely because it is a solution of Einstein Equations inspired in Stark Trek, then, what you say can't be done

I'm admitting uncertainty with that statement, I do seriously doubt it, but I can't be 100% certain.  Fact is, there's nothing I can do to back this belief up since it's a belief that it's impossible to provide a proof.  That's why (and I'll say it again) the burden of proof is on the claimant.

Reading this post, it's funny to think you're the one levying accusations of bias, ego, hostility, immaturity and dysfunction.

Agreed, for example this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklo. Does it means aliens ?

Again : the step in the reasoning between "I do not understand" and "it must be aliens then" is missing.

Please, show us links. Claiming evidence exists, and there is so much of it that you wouldn't bother to pick some because it is easy to find, could "support" any claim.

Unfortunately, their existence is pure speculation. Just look at the wiki introduction. Neutrinos could do so too, before the CERN researchers corrected the calculations.

By the way, Michio Kaku is also a publicity seeking crank.

Man landed on the moon and they said that could not be done.

Before that they said man could not fly.

If extra-earth life was in the area, they would be improbable assured of the fact that it would be unsafe to make friendly contact with us, unless they were assured of their safety while doing so, and it is likely more than not that if they did make contact, a government would try to cover it up for some kinda intelligence reasons, but for that government to maintain secrecy, would be not guaranteed, so it might be about 50/50 chance that a coverup would be divulged.  But it would be possible that the government would keep it classified. But this would pressume that the aliens had some sense or knowledge to contact one government more than another, and why would they decide which government to contact.  What would be their benefit from taking the risk of opening channels? I feel they would calculate the risk way higher than the possible gains, and avoid contact.  Thus, based on logic, if there are extra-earth intelligence, it is most likely that they would never cognizantly contact any human beings for safety reasons.  And that theory about aliens needing Earth resources is not sane or logical.  But for purely interested reasons, extra-earth intellgents would avoid contacting humans, reading avidly our propensity for war tools and weapons, and they would likely study us for some months or years, and then simply depart, unseen and unnoticed by any.  But if they were to initiate contact, they would allow observation, and then take notice of government responses, whether peaceful or with militant intent, and then decide if open channel communications were worth the risk based on the governments' responses.  I am quite unaware if the US government or any government has the intelligent capacity to maintain an open channel with this kind of life form, willing to emit respect and show care and humanity.  But I feel that if yes, that were to occur, that the government would show interest in publicizing this method of contacting extra-earth life to its population, and with no major reason to avoid telling the truth openly to the people.  So, because the US government has not revealed an open channel of contact with extra-earth life, I believe it simply has not happened.  I still maintain that the government tests top secret classified military aircraft which simulate alien craft, but are only and truly made by the governments in the countries where they are seen.

No, it is not ironic or hypocritical of me at all, because if you read my posts throughout, they are either explicitly humorous in nature or guarded about claims leaining one way or the other.  I hold possibilities open until there is fairly conclusive proof.  But I don't shutdown and become rigid and overly biased.  If I'm biased at all, it is only in my adamance to keep my eyes open.

Questioning is good.  Doubt is human but risky at best.  Humans tend to believe their own hype, so excess bias can do more harm, unless it motivates only a pure pursuit of the truth.  As soon as you find yourself trying to confirm your doubts you will.

Remember, the laws of floatation were not discovered by contemplating the sinking of things.