I believe it can, but I can never know for certain if it has.
Okay. It seemed as if saying A.I. would be self-aware ran into philosophical problems. I was just checking
I believe it can, but I can never know for certain if it has.
Okay. It seemed as if saying A.I. would be self-aware ran into philosophical problems. I was just checking
Yes. Sentient.
How would you know if a computer is self-aware?
How do I know you are?
Smell his breath. If it reeks of anchovies, he is self-aware.
I'd suggest that the opposite is probably true.
I mean that the only consciousness I can be certain of is mine, so there'd be no way of knowing for certain whether a computer was self aware or not, but I also can't know for certain if you are either.
As long as you don't argue with yourself. Nothing to worry about.
If it's any consolation, you pass the Turing Test.
Oh, I never heard of the "Turing Test". That sounds interesting from the introduction to it in wikipedia.
Funny explanation of emergence:
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts!
How come when you mix water and flour together you get glue...
And then you add eggs and sugar...
And you get cake?
Where did the glue go?
You know darned well where it went!
That's what makes the cake stick to your butt![1]
— (Anonymous email to Gary Stilwell)
Gary Stilwell is a former computer engineer and created the next hypothesis:
consciousness will emerge in a computer given enough component parts
'given enough' is vague enough to resist any attempt for falsification, although I understand what he wants to say. The consciousness of a black hole should be amazing in his line of thought or should it read that consciousness will emerge in a system consisting of complex elements equal to the ratio of the density of those complex elements.
Ok, get the idea. Has the same problem as the mind/body dualism, because you can not predict the characteristics of the complexer level from the characteristics of the simpler level (you can not predict life from the presence of some protons and electrons). The mind/body dualism might even be perceived as a form of emergence.
@Reflectivist: Yet how shocking it may appear to you, I am waiting in full tension on an answer of TheGrobe. Please, don't let us get some friction about this. Why should we all get wound up about some chords of possible streaming consciousness?
Did you think I would recoil in response, or revolt? A less restrained fellow than me might tell you to go flux yourself. A lot of people get amped up in discussions like this, but it is important to at least try to transform people's awareness, regardless of their capacity to deflect such induction. I play devil's advocate; I cannnot simultaneously play arc angel. I strive to discharge whatever knowledge I have gained in my field - to be a generator of ideas, for I know that in a torrent of truth, resistance is futile. My reply has gone full circuit now, so to avoid oscillation, I will be monostable until further input.
+1 Fantastic!
Yes. Sentient.
How would you know if a computer is self-aware?
It orders a pizza with anchovies.
and chilli beef
Yes. Sentient.
How would you know if a computer is self-aware?
It orders a pizza with anchovies.
and chilli beef
Ooo, then I will know for sure if my computer is out to get me.
I certainly won't cry a tear for you ... now.
So many words here. Such little substance!
@TheGrobe: No, I don't believe A.I. would be self-aware. Ever. The best it could do is fool people into believing it was self-aware. Of course, if you want to believe it is, then you may be the perfect subject to fool.
When I attended philosophy courses, there was a professor who said, "We can't know if a person is self-aware, but we must act as if they are"(paraphrased) I never understood that then, and I don't now. My "knowing" doesn't amount to much if I can't know that another person is self-aware besides myself. That just seems like solipsism to me.
It's the basis for solipsim, but it's also the corollary to Descarte's famous "I think therefore I am".
As for the "we must act as though they are", if I were to guess, the reasoning behind this is deeply rooted in moral philisophy as opposed to existentialism.
Do you believe animals besides humans are self aware? Insects? Bacterium? Is there a cut-off point for self awareness?
It's the basis for solipsim, but it's also the corollary to Descarte's famous "I think therefore I am".
As for the "we must act as though they are", if I were to guess, the reasoning behind this is deeply rooted in moral philisophy as opposed to existentialism.
My philosophy is a bit rusted, but... When did existentialists (Kirkegaard, Sartre, etc.) negate conscience ?
If it's any consolation, you pass the Turing Test.
Oh, I never heard of the "Turing Test". That sounds interesting from the introduction to it in wikipedia.
But you have heard of touring bikes, no?
It's the basis for solipsim, but it's also the corollary to Descarte's famous "I think therefore I am".
As for the "we must act as though they are", if I were to guess, the reasoning behind this is deeply rooted in moral philisophy as opposed to existentialism.
I never understood Descartes' "cogito, ergo sum" to lead to solipsism? That wouldn't make sense? I think his "cogito..." was for all of us, not just himself. Why would you write a book and publish it if it leads to solipsism?
What do you mean by you second statement? Could you elaborate for me?
If it's any consolation, you pass the Turing Test.