Is Magnus becoming the new Bobby Fischer in terms of post-world champ paranoia?

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CrusaderKing1

Magnus resigned against Hans in the Julius Baer cup after only 1 move.

Probably paranoia of cheating.

It reminds me of some of the more sporadic behaviors of Booby Fischer. Fischer only playing when environment was a specific way, only playing against certain people, etc., etc.

Magnus seems to be following this trend. Quitting the world finals because it wasn't done his way, etc.

Also the parallels in paranoia on the rise. 

Thoughts?

Marie-AnneLiz

There is no comparison between the two.

Hans is a know cheater.

CrusaderKing1
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

There is no comparison between the two.

Hans is a know cheater.

Cheating as a young teenager but not as an adult is something to highly consider.

Even medical schools will allow someone who got caught for cheating during their bachelors in their program if the time elapsed is a few years.

 

ChessOnWeed420
Yet I wonder if he planned to resign the game.
He appeared to be on edge, full of unwanted hormones, almost to a degree, where I expected him to literally snap and throw stuff.

Maybe he could not control his intense emotions and knew he could not play a good game in this state, did not want to play a game in this state with everybody watching.., so he made a stupid snap decision to resign and thus dug his accusation hole even deeper.

What were your first thoughts when you witnessed this?
CrusaderKing1
ChessOnWeed420 wrote:
Yet I wonder if he planned to resign the game.
He appeared to be on edge, full of unwanted hormones, almost to a degree, where I expected him to literally snap and throw stuff.

Maybe he could not control his intense emotions and knew he could not play a good game in this state, did not want to play a game in this state with everybody watching.., so he made a stupid snap decision to resign and thus dug his accusation hole even deeper.

What were your first thoughts when you witnessed this?

That's a good point. He may have not decided he was going to resign the game at the start of the tournament. 

Even more so, he may have not decided he was going to resign until Hans started off with a line that just triggered him. 

Either way, it seems extremely petty and unbecoming of a previous world champion. 

DreamscapeHorizons

If I could photoshop I'd take the beard and hair of Bobby when he was on his way to live in Iceland and put it on Magnus. It'd be hilarious. 

brianchesscake

Big difference is Magnus defended his title already 4 TIMES (against Anand, Karjakin, Caruana, and Nepo).

Bobby ran away after becoming world champion.

There is no comparison. Anyone trying to say that Carlsen is acting like Fischer needs to learn their history.

CrusaderKing1
brianchesscake wrote:

Big difference is Magnus defended his title already 4 TIMES (against Anand, Karjakin, Caruana, and Nepo).

Bobby ran away after becoming world champion.

There is no comparison. Anyone trying to say that Carlsen is acting like Fischer needs to learn their history.

There's a difference between saying Carlson is deep into Fischer's behavioral trend, and saying he's at the start.

I was insinuating that he is showing some similarities and there could be a start to his paranoia.

 

brianchesscake
CrusaderKing1 wrote:

There's a difference between saying Carlson is deep into Fischer's behavioral trend, and saying he's at the start.

I was insinuating that he is showing some similarities and there could be a start to his paranoia.

 

Fischer was scared of losing his title so he ran away like a chicken, knowing very well that the Soviets put a big red mark on his back and that plenty of young players were coming up to challenge in the future.

Carlsen knows that there is no human alive who can take the title away from him. He has nothing to be afraid of. Look at how he crushed Nepo, who just happened to win the Candidates again. Carlsen is bored of being the best in the world. Obviously at this point only an engine stands a chance really.

CrusaderKing1
brianchesscake wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:

There's a difference between saying Carlson is deep into Fischer's behavioral trend, and saying he's at the start.

I was insinuating that he is showing some similarities and there could be a start to his paranoia.

 

Fischer was scared of losing his title so he ran away like a chicken, knowing very well that the Soviets put a big red mark on his back and that plenty of young players were coming up to challenge in the future.

Carlsen knows that there is no human alive who can take the title away from him. He has nothing to be afraid of. Look at how he crushed Nepo, who just happened to win the Candidates again. Carlsen is bored of being the best in the world. Obviously at this point only an engine stands a chance really.

He tied Fabi what, 14 time in a row during a classical world championship? I'm not saying Magnus isn't great. He did crush Nepo after Nepo lost a game and his mentality took a huge hit.

I don't believe Hans cheated, so Magnus losing to Hans with the black pieces also signifies he being very beatable. 

I used to be on the Magnus fan bus but after he declined his world championship rematch with Nepo, and now losing to Hans when he had the white pieces, and then being so ego hurt to not even play him in other tournaments, is all starting to make see Magnus in a less amazing light. 

Marie-AnneLiz
CrusaderKing1 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:

There is no comparison between the two.

Hans is a know cheater.

Cheating as a young teenager but not as an adult is something to highly consider.

Even medical schools will allow someone who got caught for cheating during their bachelors in their program if the time elapsed is a few years.

 

Except that he said that he cheated at 12 and at 16...and i doubt that he cheated only twice....usually when you get caught cheating or stealing you get your lesson and you stop,right? 

wizardKM

The big difference between Magnus and Fischer is, at least Magnus defended HIS title.. Fischer never did...

Kowarenai
brianchesscake wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:

There's a difference between saying Carlson is deep into Fischer's behavioral trend, and saying he's at the start.

I was insinuating that he is showing some similarities and there could be a start to his paranoia.

 

Fischer was scared of losing his title so he ran away like a chicken, knowing very well that the Soviets put a big red mark on his back and that plenty of young players were coming up to challenge in the future.

Carlsen knows that there is no human alive who can take the title away from him. He has nothing to be afraid of. Look at how he crushed Nepo, who just happened to win the Candidates again. Carlsen is bored of being the best in the world. Obviously at this point only an engine stands a chance really.

i disagree with this heavily and believed fischer was simply ahead of his time for at least a couple more years maybe even a decade honestly, he was superiorly dominant against mostly everyone in the field and the only player to hold the highest classical win rate against the elite. i think him like many other future world champions simply hated the format of the match which even carlsen admitted kinda bored him as he no longer found it fun with the 12 game matches. he would have preferred something new for the format like adding rapid and blitz into the main match format instead of simply just being in tiebreaks, fischer opted for reasonable changes at his era simply opting for more fighting games and that if drawn he would still remain champion.

Kowarenai

in short he just hated FIDE... he didn't like how they were running matches has argued with many officials even during the iconic match where he became champion. he was simply a undisputed god who couldn't even be positive about any tournament, he would always want more options. he invented increment, invented 960, pretty much predicted and utilized one of the more iconic rules letting matches crown the champion despite drawn score and kasparov along with others simply followed his legacy in the fact that they were annoyed with the formats, they want change

RemovedUsername333

Hahaha! The difference between Magnus Carlsen and Bobby Fischer is that it's Magnus Carlsen and Bobby Fischer. Let me explain. Carlsen is totally justified in calling Niemann out on his suspicious behaviour. And while I don't think that paranoia is the right word to use here, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that Hans was cheating. After all, he did have a phone on his person during the match, and we all know how easy it is to cheat with a phone these days. As for Carlsen's behaviour, I think it's perfectly understandable. He's a world-class chess player, and he wants to be able to compete at the highest level. If he doesn't feel like he can do that, then he's not going to play. It's as simple as that. So, in conclusion, I think it's perfectly understandable why Magnus Carlsen would resign against Hans in the Julius Baer cup after only 1 move. He's a world-class chess player, and he wants to be able to compete at the highest level. If he doesn't feel like he can do that, then he's not going to play.

Kowarenai

i can see why people think carlsen might be going crazy but in general at this point in time while he did pull a fischer, he did it in a way where it was pretty much disputed he was meant to be #1

EBowie

Maybe not exactly like Fischer but it's not unreasonable to see some similarities.  I was finally on board to calling Magnus the GOAT but I think I am now back with Kasparov.  It's almost like Magnus is intentionally trying to damage his reputation.  If so, it's a bummer for sure.