it is cheating if play with bord?

I completley agree that it can make you stronger to "not move the pieces, and visualize".  But, I think it can be argued that 'moving the pieces around'(especially to the point where you've messed up the board, and you have to reset everthing, 2 or 3 times on just one move, I believe this sorta activity expands my mind, and increases my ability to visualize.   

So, I'm not saying you should NEVER visualize, I'm saying 'moving pieces' CAN BE a tool that grows the ability to visualize.

Also, the arguement is, is it 'wrong(or cheating)' to 'do so' in live chess, on chess.com, and I say RIDICULOUS! No.

Thank you for your good words sir.

bgianis

Tell you what, BigKingBud, you're obviously not going to listen to what anybody here tells you.  Would you agree to  move the discussion over to the group that specializes in cheating detection and rule interpretation?

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/cheating-forum

I'll join if you will.  And then we can settle this once and for all, come back here and post what the experts say.  How about it?

Actually I just sent my request to join to the group administrator of The Cheating Forum so at least we can get some fresh eyes on this.  Maybe once the pros weigh in, you guys will agree that since Live is modeled after OTB. the same rules apply.

I think the software should enforce touch and move rule! It is not that difficult to implement. After all, if you are good in chess, no matter what your opponent do, you will always come out as a winner! You are winner in your loss too as it teaches you how to lose gracefully! World is not fair in many ways.

I agree, even though I've never done it.

OP's aren't there to be listened to (most of the time)... they're just there to provide a piece of meat for everyone to fight over like a pack of starving dogs.

I still feel using a physical board during an online game is not cheating. Even if I move pieces on a physical board I am still visualizing the situation in my head first and then transfering those thoughts to the board.I do not do much analysis on my physical board during a match mainly because there is not much time to do so.I do not see how people can get into much analysis when their clock is ticking away.Your going to end up losing the match on time because you are screwing around with the pieces on your physical board.I like using my Usb board when I can,or just as a regular board,mainly to save my eyesight from the computer screen.I will continue to do so even if some think it is cheating.I should add that I enjoy a good civil arguement with strong points from both sides.

Just think about how a simple yes or no question, maybe a short explanation along with it, has become more. People are taking it personally. I guess there are two lessons to learn. One: This is the internet; what did you expect? / If you give monkeys food, they will just throw crap everywhere.

I believe you are right Archer2150.Really all so simple.I guess I am guilty of throwing garbage.When I first read this it caught my attention because I have been an avid user of a physical board along with a screen board for the last fifteen years.Now I hear that I could be cheating.When it is all said and done I do not believe it really matters much.I will continue to use my physical board and hope I do not bother anyone.Guess I have put in enough of my two cents worth.

hard to believe this is a debate lol... if you move the pieces around in a live game its obviously dishonest at best. you can't do it otb, why would you on ehat is the online equivalent?

eff... cant type on this phone

I might agree that it's dishonest, unethical, bad sport, etc., but you guys still couldn't convince me it's cheating, and that's what the thread is about.
If there's nothing to tell you what move to make, I don't see where's the advantage in moving a piece.
As swetye said, it's transfering your thoughts to another board, making visible notes if you'd like.
You don't get any advantage by looking at a diffrerent position that's completely hypothetical and hasn't happened yet.

Tons of things are not allowed in tournament. I like listening to Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold at max when playing here.
I completely understand why it's not allowed, but I still can't understand how it could be cheating if all you do is checking 'what-ifs'.
Wait, checking isn't even the right word. There is absolutely no response from the board, so it's a 'one sided interaction'.
It makes no sense whatsoever to call it cheating. A crutch for those that tend to mess up things in their head, certainly. But there is still not a single post here that can prove why or how is it cheating.

Chess is centered around calculation. If you're using a board to give yourself an advantage in calculation, I'd say it's unfair.

I understand this point, as it was brought up before. What this misses, is that even if you use another board, your calculations will be neither better nor worse because of it.

Incorrect. You can calculate out positions that are way more complicated if you have a solid medium to test them in. There's no need to keep the position in your head, like there is in normal chess.

The OPs question was if he had a board set up and made the moves of the game:

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