just another reason why you might be surprised how well you do in an over the board tournament folks.
it is cheating if play with bord?
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Jan 14, 2015
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#103
leiph18 wrote:
Good post, and I couldn't agree more! Actually my rating in online chess (correspondence) dropped quite a lot when I started to use the analysis board too much. Probably I got lazy and stopped thinking. Now I try to do without it completely and I feel I'm already doing better again! Happy to see some sensible posts btw. And that rating inportance here vs. irl is a highly subjective matter.
It's not natural to play a live game (whether OTB or online) with an analysis board therefore bypassing the need to visualize your calculations.
Calculation is such a core part of playing, people assume an analysis board will not be used. This is why most people would consider it cheating, because it's likely only 1 of the players is using it (unfair advantage).
In any case, playing chess without calculation is hardly playing chess at all.
Of course most people understand this, and are having fun being creative with semantics. Just don't confuse their fun of playing the devil's advocate with what's really a simple case of cheating 
I completley agree that it can make you stronger to "not move the pieces, and visualize". But, I think it can be argued that 'moving the pieces around'(especially to the point where you've messed up the board, and you have to reset everthing, 2 or 3 times on just one move, I believe this sorta activity expands my mind, and increases my ability to visualize.
So, I'm not saying you should NEVER visualize, I'm saying 'moving pieces' CAN BE a tool that grows the ability to visualize.
Also, the arguement is, is it 'wrong(or cheating)' to 'do so' in live chess, on chess.com, and I say RIDICULOUS! No.
GnrfFrtzl wrote:
bgianis írta:
incantevoleutopia wrote:
hi . is it cheating if i play on line and have also the phisical bord of chess and pieces...and i move according to the game right in front of me??
It is not cheating as long as it doesn't tell you what to do. So simple.
What?! Common sense on a chess.com forum?! I knew I'll see the day.
Thank you for your good words sir.
bgianis
Tell you what, BigKingBud, you're obviously not going to listen to what anybody here tells you. Would you agree to move the discussion over to the group that specializes in cheating detection and rule interpretation?
http://www.chess.com/groups/view/cheating-forum
I'll join if you will. And then we can settle this once and for all, come back here and post what the experts say. How about it?
Actually I just sent my request to join to the group administrator of The Cheating Forum so at least we can get some fresh eyes on this. Maybe once the pros weigh in, you guys will agree that since Live is modeled after OTB. the same rules apply.
Jan 15, 2015
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#108
I think the software should enforce touch and move rule! It is not that difficult to implement. After all, if you are good in chess, no matter what your opponent do, you will always come out as a winner! You are winner in your loss too as it teaches you how to lose gracefully! World is not fair in many ways.
BigKingBud wrote:
stuzzicadenti wrote:
It's unfair if only one player is using a board to move around pieces and analyzing possible variations on that physical board, while the other player is doing all the thinking in his head.
It's not like using an engine, and it's not cheating. If you are playing a game longer than 10 minutes, you should have a board out, so you can practice combos, combos you later can do without moving the pieces. It's good practice, which is about all a chess.com game is.
Our chess.com scores hold no value or 'real' rank(in reality) and no one owes you anything for it(like a tournament/FIDE score). An engine is cheating, using a board(or 4) isnt.
I agree, even though I've never done it.
OP's aren't there to be listened to (most of the time)... they're just there to provide a piece of meat for everyone to fight over like a pack of starving dogs. 
I still feel using a physical board during an online game is not cheating. Even if I move pieces on a physical board I am still visualizing the situation in my head first and then transfering those thoughts to the board.I do not do much analysis on my physical board during a match mainly because there is not much time to do so.I do not see how people can get into much analysis when their clock is ticking away.Your going to end up losing the match on time because you are screwing around with the pieces on your physical board.I like using my Usb board when I can,or just as a regular board,mainly to save my eyesight from the computer screen.I will continue to do so even if some think it is cheating.I should add that I enjoy a good civil arguement with strong points from both sides.
Jan 15, 2015
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#112
Just think about how a simple yes or no question, maybe a short explanation along with it, has become more. People are taking it personally. I guess there are two lessons to learn. One: This is the internet; what did you expect? / If you give monkeys food, they will just throw crap everywhere.
I believe you are right Archer2150.Really all so simple.I guess I am guilty of throwing garbage.When I first read this it caught my attention because I have been an avid user of a physical board along with a screen board for the last fifteen years.Now I hear that I could be cheating.When it is all said and done I do not believe it really matters much.I will continue to use my physical board and hope I do not bother anyone.Guess I have put in enough of my two cents worth.
hard to believe this is a debate lol... if you move the pieces around in a live game its obviously dishonest at best. you can't do it otb, why would you on ehat is the online equivalent?
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I might agree that it's dishonest, unethical, bad sport, etc., but you guys still couldn't convince me it's cheating, and that's what the thread is about.
If there's nothing to tell you what move to make, I don't see where's the advantage in moving a piece.
As swetye said, it's transfering your thoughts to another board, making visible notes if you'd like.
You don't get any advantage by looking at a diffrerent position that's completely hypothetical and hasn't happened yet.
GnrfFrtzl wrote:
why do you suppose it's not allowed in tournaments?
I might agree that it's dishonest, unethical, bad sport, etc., but you guys still couldn't convince me it's cheating, and that's what the thread is about.
If there's nothing to tell you what move to make, I don't see where's the advantage in moving a piece.
As swetye said, it's transfering your thoughts to another board, making visible notes if you'd like.
You don't get any advantage by looking at a diffrerent position that's completely hypothetical and hasn't happened yet.
Arawn_of_Annuvin írta:
GnrfFrtzl wrote:
I might agree that it's dishonest, unethical, bad sport, etc., but you guys still couldn't convince me it's cheating, and that's what the thread is about.
If there's nothing to tell you what move to make, I don't see where's the advantage in moving a piece.
As swetye said, it's transfering your thoughts to another board, making visible notes if you'd like.
You don't get any advantage by looking at a diffrerent position that's completely hypothetical and hasn't happened yet.
why do you suppose it's not allowed in tournaments?
Tons of things are not allowed in tournament. I like listening to Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold at max when playing here.
I completely understand why it's not allowed, but I still can't understand how it could be cheating if all you do is checking 'what-ifs'.
Wait, checking isn't even the right word. There is absolutely no response from the board, so it's a 'one sided interaction'.
It makes no sense whatsoever to call it cheating. A crutch for those that tend to mess up things in their head, certainly. But there is still not a single post here that can prove why or how is it cheating.
Jan 15, 2015
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#119
Chess is centered around calculation. If you're using a board to give yourself an advantage in calculation, I'd say it's unfair.
condude2 írta:
Chess is centered around calculation. If you're using a board to give yourself an advantage in calculation, I'd say it's unfair.
I understand this point, as it was brought up before. What this misses, is that even if you use another board, your calculations will be neither better nor worse because of it.
I disagree that it makes you stronger to 'not' move the pieces. I think that's like saying, it makes you stronger 'not' to practice tactics trainer.
As with anything, the more you work the better you get. Practice the skills you want to improve. If you practice X, you'll get better at X. That sums up my thoughts about it.