Lebron vs. Jordan

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Did KD say he might go play for the Wizards?

vacation4me
itsyaboikade wrote:
It is Michel Jordan he is literally the best player in basketball ever

I think you are looking at this from a historical point of view.  MJ does not help ESPN at all with ratings.  Showing LeBron James slamming a dunk in a losing game makes all of the highlights.

vacation4me
old_school_dad wrote:

MJ hit go-ahead free throws with his eyes closed. Kobe hit 2 with a torn Achilles. Just sayin'.

 

I don't recall ESPN ever getting excited about a free throw.  Now if someone made a slam dunk over their opponent (even if your team is 50 points behind), then there is the highlight.  Basketball has seem to lost the team sport aspect.

staples13

I didn’t watch the game but my understanding was that the only reason the game went to OT was because Lebron hit a crazy 3 to tie the game at the end of regulation

staples13

I definitely agree with you on that one. NBA officiating is horrible. I don’t mind it so much in the regular season but when the playoffs come around the favoritism needs to stop. 

staples13

Warriors rockets game 6 and 7 last year were an absolute joke

AndresRojas85

Actual proof that Lebron is better:

1. Jordan's competition was never even close to Lebron's competition. Besides of the Warriors there are 31 NBA teams. Curry and Durant would be the best player in 30 of them. Thompson would be the best in close to 20 and the second best player in maybe 8 of the other 10. 

Jordan never faced any team that was even close to the Warriors.

2. The irrefutable evidence that when Lebron leaves a team, that team becomes garbage for years to come (Cavs and Miami Heat). When Jordan left the Bulls, the Bulls were still a contender (55 wins in the regular season, playoffs appearances).

The fact that the Bulls were a contender WITHOUT Jordan shows that Jordan's team was either/both better than what it is given credit for and/or Jordan was not nearly as important as Lebron is for a team when he plays. Dont get me wrong, Jordan won championships that would not exist if if hadnt been for him. But Lebron was a bigger factor (the finals performances in defeat that Lebron had were far superior than anything Jordan ever did).

To put in in simple terms, Jordan was 4/10 of the Bulls. Lebron has always been 7/10 of any team.

MynameisMurl

Absurd. All things considered, Micheal Jordan is A BETTER SPORTS TEAMMATE THAN Lebron James, therefore a better basketball player. Not to say Jordan is the GOAT, but top 5, to be sure. 

AndresRojas85
MynameisMurl wrote:

Absurd. All things considered, Micheal Jordan is A BETTER SPORTS TEAMMATE THAN Lebron James, therefore a better basketball player. Not to say Jordan is the GOAT, but top 5, to be sure. 

 

Why do you say Jordan was a better teammate? Lol zero evidence, zero data.

MynameisMurl
AndresRojas85 wrote:
MynameisMurl wrote:

Absurd. All things considered, Micheal Jordan is A BETTER SPORTS TEAMMATE THAN Lebron James, therefore a better basketball player. Not to say Jordan is the GOAT, but top 5, to be sure. 

 

Why do you say Jordan was a better teammate? Lol zero evidence, zero data.

Exhibit A. Stayed with the Bulls a long time.

Exhibit B. Made those around him better. (Look at his assist numbers)

Exhibit C. Common sense

AndresRojas85
MynameisMurl wrote:
AndresRojas85 wrote:
MynameisMurl wrote:

Absurd. All things considered, Micheal Jordan is A BETTER SPORTS TEAMMATE THAN Lebron James, therefore a better basketball player. Not to say Jordan is the GOAT, but top 5, to be sure. 

 

Why do you say Jordan was a better teammate? Lol zero evidence, zero data.

Exhibit A. Stayed with the Bulls a long time.

Exhibit B. Made those around him better. (Look at his assist numbers)

Exhibit C. Common sense

 

1. Staying with the Bulls has nothing to do with it. He stayed where he got paid and was surrounded with a better team. Plus players didn't move that much in the 80s and 90s.

2. No he didn't make everyone better. Other players had much, much higher stats without Jordan. Ron Harper for instance was a 20 ppg player that became a 7 ppg player when he arrived to the Bulls because it was Jordan the one that was going to take all the shots.

A lot of people talk about how players move and do other things in a Lebron team. In reality everyone sacrificed way more for Jordan and he took all the credit. 

As I said the data is impossible to refute. The Bulls without Jordan were still a contender. The Cavs or the Heat without Lebron became garbage.

MynameisMurl
AndresRojas85 wrote:
MynameisMurl wrote:
AndresRojas85 wrote:
MynameisMurl wrote:

Absurd. All things considered, Micheal Jordan is A BETTER SPORTS TEAMMATE THAN Lebron James, therefore a better basketball player. Not to say Jordan is the GOAT, but top 5, to be sure. 

 

Why do you say Jordan was a better teammate? Lol zero evidence, zero data.

Exhibit A. Stayed with the Bulls a long time.

Exhibit B. Made those around him better. (Look at his assist numbers)

Exhibit C. Common sense

 

1. Staying with the Bulls has nothing to do with it. He stayed where he got paid and was surrounded with a better team. Plus players didn't move that much in the 80s and 90s.

staying with a team has nothing to do with being a good teammate? 

He had the option to leave and did not. 

2. No he didn't make everyone better. Other players had much, much higher stats without Jordan. Ron Harper for instance was a 20 ppg player that became a 7 ppg player when he arrived to the Bulls because it was Jordan the one that was going to take all the shots. Nonsense

A lot of people talk about how players move and do other things in a Lebron team. In reality everyone sacrificed way more for Jordan and he took all the credit. Again, nonsense with nothing but your opinion as a basis. 

As I said the data is impossible to refute. Data may always be refuted and manipulated to fit a given situation, or argument. Which reminds me, this argument is over.  The Bulls without Jordan were still a contender. The Cavs or the Heat without Lebron became garbage.

 

AndresRojas85

1. Players get traded in the NBA. Plenty did during Jordan's era. And the Bulls always offered what he wanted while he was there. The Cavs for instance never gave Jordan a single decent teammate the first time he was there. Jordan was given plenty of all star players while he was with the Bulls. Was Jordan a good teammate when he left to play baseball? Lebron is a bad teammate for leaving but Jordan isn't, ok, got it.

2. What nonsense? Harper was a 20 ppg player when he arrived to the Bulls, he's a Clippers' legend. He became a 7 ppg player overnight when he joined Jordan. Took less than half of the shots he took at Clippers. Dont believe me, go look at the stats.

3. Look at the stats of the Bulls players in the 93-94 season. Look at the stats of the players that joined the Bulls in the 90s and compare them with the stats they had before. Again, not me. Numbers are numbers.

4. Im not manipulating anything. The Bulls won 55 games in the 93-94 season. First season without Jordan. Then after Lebron the Cavs were a lottery team for yrs. They got 3 #1 picks lmao But sure keep pretending like none of that happened. Pretend that Jordan's teammates scored 2 ppg before they met Mike lololol

staples13

Apparently Lebron passed Jordan in career blocks yesterday 

staples13

Lebron with another game winning shot and the Lakers are now above .500. Meanwhile the Cavs are 1-11. Add Lebron to a terrible team and they immediately become a playoff team. Remove Lebron from the 4 time defending Eastern Conference champions and they immediately become the worst team in the league. 🐐 

DevilishApples123

best Wil be soon Williamson of duke. he can shoot and LeBron can not

DevilishApples123

i mean zion Williamson

AlCzervik

well, this is kind of an amusing topic. 

i say that because the best post was on page one, mentioning russell. of course, it was ignored, even though he won the most. also, no mention of wilt? i, personally, think one of the reasons mj is considered the greatest is timing. 24 hour talk shows about sports-must fill the time. the advent of cable tv allowed everyone to see his games. by comparison, wilt's 100 point game wasn't even televised! 

stating that the competition during lebron's time is better than what jordan faced seems to be a thing millenials do, as in, "this is the toughest time!" a case can be made (and, many have) that the talent pool overall is weaker now with younger players coming into the league. and, if anyone thinks the bulls had it easy, take some time to look at the piston and knick teams they faced. 

to state mj was not a team player shows the poster knows nothing. he bought into the triangle offense-taking shots away from him-so the team could win. 

 

now, i know lebron will go down as one of the best ever. but that's as good as it gets. for anyone. in any sport. it is next to impossible to compare players that didn't compete against each other and even more difficult to compare those in different eras. for example, everyone fawns over tom brady, some even calling him the best football player ever. i wonder how many of those know of jim brown, george blanda, or a host of other players.

 

staples13

Lebron just passed Wilt Chamberlain (31,419) for 5th all time in points. Next up is Michael Jordan at 32,212.

MEXIMARTINI

Now this is just cool.