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Have machines absolutely overtaken human beings in chess?
I FEEL that we can overtake them again in future.
Mar 17, 2017
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Act64 wrote:
I FEEL that we can overtake them again in future.
FEELings, nothing more than FEELings....
Mar 17, 2017
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#6
EscherehcsE wrote:
Offspring?
Act64 wrote:
I FEEL that we can overtake them again in future.
FEELings, nothing more than FEELings....
Mar 17, 2017
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#7
@ #3:
No way. Doesn't make sense...or at least not without alien intervention or us injecting computers/machines into our heads, at which point we really would no longer be able to accurately refer to ourselves as simply "man" -- we would be one of them.
human-in-training wrote:
The hope lies in the fact that with such a great possible outcomes, even computers can never be perfect. There are certain types of endgame positions, where computers of today can not evaluate whereas humans can recognize easily.
@ #3:
No way. Doesn't make sense...or at least not without alien intervention or us injecting computers/machines into our heads, at which point we really would no longer be able to accurately refer to ourselves as simply "man" -- we would be one of them.
Mar 17, 2017
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Strangemover wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:
Act64 wrote:
I FEEL that we can overtake them again in future.
FEELings, nothing more than FEELings....
Offspring?
I was thinking Morris Albert, circa 1974.
Mar 17, 2017
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#10
The top engines today.. running on a iphone7... will have a 100:1 win ratio against any super GM...in any time control....so no... we won't ever overtake them... ever
Mar 17, 2017
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#11
You live and learn. Offspring version was a cover of the original Morris Albert song. In a distinctly different style!
Mar 17, 2017
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#12
And Regarding your endgame comment... I'm sorry to say, you couldn't be more wrong..
Computers use an endgame tablebase that basically contains a pre-calculated exhaustive analysis of chess endgame positions.
The tablebase contains the game-theoretical value (win, loss, or draw) of each possible move in each possible position, and how many moves it would take to achieve that result with perfect play. Thus, the tablebase acts as an oracle, always providing the optimal moves. Typically the database records each possible position with certain pieces remaining on the board, and the best moves with White to move and with Black to move.
Computers use an endgame tablebase that basically contains a pre-calculated exhaustive analysis of chess endgame positions.
The tablebase contains the game-theoretical value (win, loss, or draw) of each possible move in each possible position, and how many moves it would take to achieve that result with perfect play. Thus, the tablebase acts as an oracle, always providing the optimal moves. Typically the database records each possible position with certain pieces remaining on the board, and the best moves with White to move and with Black to move.
Based on mathematical calculations Stockfish 8 plays the correct move 96% of the time. Engines improve every year while the human mind has only improved a small amount since the 1970 era of chess, there is no chance of us overtaking them.
man are obviously smarter if they use the tactics against the machine .hee hee!!!
Its not about the correct move anymore, its about the better move augmented and sustained by the proceeding moves and also many a time it is impossible to claim a move or variation as best unless the engines deal with 7 pieces left on the board, with such imperfection and possibilities galore there still lies a glimmer of hope.
i did beat IT at level10!
Is a strong human still able to beat an engine on correspondence time controls (i.e. several days to make a move) ?
Engine strength doesn't increase with time due to horizon effect.
Aug 9, 2018
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5 piece endgames have been solved by computers ie/ they can not be beaten in an endgame.
As for the general idea of chess being effectively infinite and therefore there is a glimmer of a possibility of winning - that idea is also somewhat ridiculous. It is like asking "now that the car has overtaken the horse in terms of speed can the horse ever expect to beat a car again ?".
Put simply - no.
I used to be concerned about the fact computers could beat us, and what that would do to the game. Fortunately the game is still very popular.
People will never be able to run faster than cars. But people still run races.
