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DimKnight wrote:
normajeanyates wrote:

...language evolves - 'alright' was incorrect when I was a schoolchild but now it is listed in the Oxford English Dictionary... words drift away from their origins, to forget this fact os called 'the etymological fallacy.'

That said, 'could of' is not standard yet :) But, yet is the operative term! If no one tried nonstandard usage we would still be talking in anglo-saxon! Like this:

(beginning of Beauwolf:)

A few points here, since I can't let this one slide past. First, of course, is that I would have (and indeed have) previously said that "loose" for "lose" was one of the most annoying errors ever; but upon further reflection, I think "could of" wins that head-to-head battle.

The second is that "could of" is not a grammatical error, but a spelling error. The kind of thing that happens when one is typing quickly and non-reflectively. This is what happens all too frequently in forums (I really want to say "fora"), emails, and the like.

Third, a discussion of etymology is really not relevant here, as we are not talking about a word that has drifted away from its original meaning. We are talking about someone making a clear error and whether that usage, if repeated, could become standard. The answer is, sadly, yes; but again, that's not the issue for NOW. There are contemporary rules for usage and spelling; and while "could of" may (shudder) become appropriate at some time in the future doesn't mean it's correct today. Norma seems to be making an argument along the lines of 1) murder is illegal now, but 2) a lot of people nevertheless commit murder, so 3) we should just accept murder as a non-standard practice that's on its way to becoming legalized.

Fourth, if we were to talk about etymology, it might be interesting to note how many words quoted in the poem fragment (adjusted for today's alphabet) are still in daily use. "That was [a] good king!"

Finally, and this is by far the most important point of my whole rant, it's BEOWULF, not "Beauwolf."


Okay, Okay - I was only playing Devil's Advocate! ;)

MathBandit
Ziryab wrote:
The_Josh wrote:
forkypinner wrote:

I could of been studying openings


That is the most annoying grammatical error ever.  Although you pronounce it like "could of" it is actually a contraction: "could've" = "could have."  Do people not understand what they are saying these days?


No, they don't. I see alot of errors in gramar and syntax and spelling. Can you spot the intentional error that I put in the preceding sentence? It is among the most frequent.

On chess sites, loose for lose is also pandemic.


Yes, I see that error a lot these days.

chessgenie

abbreviations and stuff like that i can understand, 'cause it can take a while to type and nowadays everyone is in such a rush, but grammatical errors have no excuse. The only reason anyone would make them is if they are stupid or ignorant. That said, alot is not a word.

ichabod801

What drives me nuts is grammarians. Do you know why we even have grammar? British Imperialism. The first grammar books were produced when the British had colonies all over the world, and became afraid that English would start to be spoken differently in the colonies. So they defined "correct" English.

But you can't control language. Language was around long before grammar books, and does not need them to continue to exist. The question you should be asking yourself is not "Did they write it the way some old fart locked in a library basement in London said they should?", but rather "Did I understand what they meant to say?" The latter will tell you if their use of language worked, the only true measure of correctness.

crisy

I think ichabod801's explanation for the popularity of prescriptive grammar in the C18 is unconvincing. There's a lot of variety in the lives and opinions of the grammarians - for example Priestley ended up emigrating to the USA because his political radicalism was more at home there than in the UK, but Buchanan was a Loyalist in the War of Independence and emigrated the other way. Both, among lots of others, wrote books prescribing grammar.

Nytik
Ziryab wrote:
The_Josh wrote:
forkypinner wrote:

I could of been studying openings


That is the most annoying grammatical error ever.  Although you pronounce it like "could of" it is actually a contraction: "could've" = "could have."  Do people not understand what they are saying these days?


No, they don't. I see alot of errors in gramar and syntax and spelling. Can you spot the intentional error that I put in the preceding sentence? It is among the most frequent.

On chess sites, loose for lose is also pandemic.


 I see two mistakes in your second sentence. The first, 'alot' is not a word, but a small town in India. The second, 'gramar' is spelt with two m's - grammar.

I_am_Boo-Urns

I know what you mean, Reb.  The funny thing about 'there' (and his friends) is that people seem to know that there are three of them but don't seem to know which one to use.  I have seen people use all three in an email or forum post and not one was used correctly.  Oh well.

I've got a question for everyone:  There is one word in the English language that is always spelled incorrectly?  What is it?

Nytik
I_am_Boo-Urns wrote:

I've got a question for everyone:  There is one word in the English language that is always spelled incorrectly?  What is it?


 I am of the opinion that the answer is 'incorrectly'. Smile However, as is evidenced here, it won't always be spelt like that!