Playing an opening vs. someone who doesn't know anything about openings

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amilton542

I've worked it out now how to post games, never done it before. Ok, so as in post #1 this is the position 9/10 of time happens if I play the Sicilian when someone plays the Bc4 move.

Is there a better way to play against Bc4?

pfren
uscftigerprowl wrote:

I am trying to find out why the Q is on d7. It looks like a Ruy Lopez. I got close with a "Tarrasch Trap". Anyone know this game of Adams?

 In all likeliness it's this game:

Diakonia
amilton542 wrote:

Ok at low level there's no need to do a deep analysis up to move #30 or whatever on a specific opening or variation. But I'm sorry, if you're 1300+ (whatever) there is no excuse to at least know some basic opening moves ( the first 4 to 5 will do) on the opening that's being played.

Here's an example. The notorious Sicilian!,  and I'm Black.

1) e4, c5

2) Bc4?, e6

3) Nc6, Ne7

4) Nf3, d5

Takes, takes, followed by a pointless check with their bishop plus the dickhead amount of times it's been moved. I see this all the time!

This applies to other openings I play as well. Are people just too damn lazy to even consider a small handful of moves on an opening being played? I think in the long run the amount of random moves your opponent makes will make you become the bit more wiser in your opening repertoire for the future.

Does it hurt people that much to even consider what opening was just played?

Adjust your rating threshold so its higher - better competition

Dont be so critical - doesnt accomplish anything

Learn to "debate", and "discuss" - being rude doesnt get your point across

chungle

Learn to "debate", and "discuss" - being rude doesnt get your point across

Yes please.  Text can be read in a number of different ways.  Because we don't have inflection and modulation to refer to as cues we have to make some assumptions.  If we operate from the assumption that we're trying to broaden understanding then it, our discussion, works better for everyone concerned.

Except the OP.  Screw that guy.  LOL.  Sorry!! 

BenYan

You can play whatever the hell you want to play to give you the best chance of winning. For example amilton542, if you want to play some awful kings gambit line where you sack your g pawn and can't castle then that's up to you. Why do you care that people are playing 2.Bc4 against you? If you think it's so bad then you shoudn't have a problem beating it, which is surely a good thing. Maybe if you get your ratings up a few hundred points you might get to play some more 'typical' theory, until then stop complaining and win your chess games.

EvgeniyZh

Talking about tempo, but you are actually have no development advantage in your variation.

amilton542
chungle wrote:

Learn to "debate", and "discuss" - being rude doesnt get your point across

Yes please.  Text can be read in a number of different ways.  Because we don't have inflection and modulation to refer to as cues we have to make some assumptions.  If we operate from the assumption that we're trying to broaden understanding then it, our discussion, works better for everyone concerned.

Except the OP.  Screw that guy.  LOL.  Sorry!! 

Screw that guy, as in the Op (me). Oh don't worry my friend I'm on a slow steady climb, constantly learning from mistakes. You'll reach a convergent point where you will never improve but I will. Have a nice day Mr Blitz.

amilton542
EvgeniyZh wrote:

Talking about tempo, but you are actually have no development advantage in your variation.

I gain space on the queenside but the knight pin is the difficult problem to solve.

chungle
amilton542 wrote:
chungle wrote:

Learn to "debate", and "discuss" - being rude doesnt get your point across

Yes please.  Text can be read in a number of different ways.  Because we don't have inflection and modulation to refer to as cues we have to make some assumptions.  If we operate from the assumption that we're trying to broaden understanding then it, our discussion, works better for everyone concerned.

Except the OP.  Screw that guy.  LOL.  Sorry!! 

Screw that guy, as in the Op (me). Oh don't worry my friend I'm on a slow steady climb, constantly learning from mistakes. You'll reach a convergent point where you will never improve but I will. Have a nice day Mr Blitz.

Geez, that was a joke dude.  Get a grip on yourself and drop the chip on your shoulder.  Have a nice day too, amilton542.

amilton542
chungle wrote:
amilton542 wrote:
chungle wrote:

Learn to "debate", and "discuss" - being rude doesnt get your point across

Yes please.  Text can be read in a number of different ways.  Because we don't have inflection and modulation to refer to as cues we have to make some assumptions.  If we operate from the assumption that we're trying to broaden understanding then it, our discussion, works better for everyone concerned.

Except the OP.  Screw that guy.  LOL.  Sorry!! 

Screw that guy, as in the Op (me). Oh don't worry my friend I'm on a slow steady climb, constantly learning from mistakes. You'll reach a convergent point where you will never improve but I will. Have a nice day Mr Blitz.

Geez, that was a joke dude.  Get a grip on yourself and drop the chip on your shoulder.  Have a nice day too, amilton542.

It didn't seem like a joke to me. The impression I got was that you wanted to dumb down a lower rated player.

I've got no chip on my shoulder, I'm out for blood like all chess players should be. My day will come, and when I've ironed out all the nuts and crannys I'll be the one who's laughing little man. Now run along.

X_PLAYER_J_X

First of all the variation I was going over was only the first 2 moves becuase you gave wrong notation and never said anything.

Now after seeing your line.


Frankly, I do not see why white has to do a bishop check at all in this variation.

After giving white a simple move such as 6.Be2

What advantage do you claim you have with the black pieces? White is 1 move from castling you are 3 moves from castling.

Your knight is on e7. What on earth is it doing there.

White does not have to play Bb5 and hand you another developed piece.

Frankly 6.Be2 may be seen as passive.

However, The Passive bishop on e2 is laugh at your Strange knight on e7 which is blocking your dark bishop hindering your castling rights for 3 moves.

Do you not understand? White will have a rook on the open E file?

Does that not scare you at all?

One of the second most powerful pieces on the board is active on the open E file.

Furthermore, Once white is castled your center will come under fire.

The pawn move d4. Tearing open the position while you are uncastled and under developed by 2 pieces.


You are not playing this line right.

I do not know what an engine would say becuase I have not checked.

However, my instincts say it likes white here.

Frankly, I like white here myself. What on earth are you doing.

chesskingdreamer

why is bb5+ bad? In the variation he gave it is very strong. I mean, why Ne7? That's the worst possible place for a knight. And then you play d5. If this is the way people play sicilian I think I will always play 2.Bc4.

Jion_Wansu

 

 

What's wrong with this opening???

X_PLAYER_J_X
chesskingdreamer wrote:

why is bb5+ bad? In the variation he gave it is very strong. I mean, why Ne7? That's the worst possible place for a knight. And then you play d5. If this is the way people play sicilian I think I will always play 2.Bc4.

I believe Bb5+ gives more justification to the move Ne7.

For example:

After this 6.Bb5+

My plan here would be to play Nc6 blocking the check. If white takes on c6 I retake with my knight. My knights have a purpose now. To control d4 and the dark squares.

chungle
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chungle

In this example just grabbing some space with an immediate d4, no?

X_PLAYER_J_X

@Chungle

Don't you think blacks pawns will become over extended by playing d4?

amilton542
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
chesskingdreamer wrote:

why is bb5+ bad? In the variation he gave it is very strong. I mean, why Ne7? That's the worst possible place for a knight. And then you play d5. If this is the way people play sicilian I think I will always play 2.Bc4.

I believe Bb5+ gives more justification to the move Ne7.

For example:

 

After this 6.Bb5+

My plan here would be to play Nc6 blocking the check. If white takes on c6 I retake with my knight. My knights have a purpose now. To control d4 and the dark squares.

Yeah cheers x, that's solved the Ne7 problem. I like it.

chungle

X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

@Chungle

Don't you think blacks pawns will become over extended by playing d4?

As Fiveofswords observed, the space gain, d5 as a transit square for attack, not to mention forcing Nc3 to move means that it's probably worth losing one of the pawns. Oh, and it stops white from playing d4! ;)

Play2Lose
First, Amilton you need to chill.  I know it can be frustrating when you ask for help and then you get irrelevant and disruptive comments, but insulting people is just causing more disruption and it's exactly what trolls are looking for; a reaction.

Anyway, here is my analysis, hope this helps.