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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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Ubik42 wrote:
adip2009 wrote:
varelse1 wrote:

dacster13 wrote:

adip2009 wrote:

Chess and poker, by my understanding, forbid me to seek moral guidance from the Bible.

 

(Isn't dogmatism productive?) :-)

 

The Bible forbids games like footbal or chess ? No. Bible forbids games like poker,blackjack,etc.which for the most part are based on luck.

 

 

Which verse says "thou shall not play poker"? From what I know it forbids gambling including in chess games where you use your skill. So in the first place, what you did is morally incorrect based on your own ideals.

No,carefully read all comments.I said when chess is professional job for  you,then can play for money with your brain,not with robot. And if you play poker for money with your brain is also  professional.But I don't judge you for this ,Somebody else,judge you.Not me I made this rule,but learned men of ancient times. Maybe because is gambling.:)

I ignore rules made thousands of years ago by ignorant sheepherders.

Muhammad (Mohamed) was shepherd ? Mahatma Gandhi, Gautama Buddha, Confucius ( or Kong Fu Zi ),Lao Zi ( Lao Tzu ),Tao Te Ching, Chuang-tzu , Lieh-tzu,Vardhamana Mahavira, Zarathustra (and adepts like Freddie Mercury,Feroze Gandhi,etc),Augustin de Hipona,Valentinus,Platon, Plotin,Hegel, Giordano Bruno, Spinoza,Nicolaus Copernic ,Martin Luther,Toma d'Aquino,etc.First of all they were philosophers, then priests or theologians.Looks like you are very ignorant and do not really have been at school.

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#62
verybadbishop wrote:
adip2009 wrote:

Your attitude is like a dictator or an ignorant person. You done with me here? You didn't answer what mathematics is.An exactly sience or what? You run because no arguments .Only chichens run.I see not only religion you do not know because you atheist ,but mathematics too,which is unacceptable for a chess player how maybe you claim to be.

Alright, I'll entertain you for one more post.  A better mark of a dictator is believing one's values to represent that of a God.  Chicken?  Hardly.  I will however report you if you keep this up, Mr never-played-a-game-here-looking-only-to-argue-nonsense-account.  Truth is you're an idiot who put money into a gambling sight you f'n hypocrite, and you lost money because you didn't read it was a computer assisted chess site.  Now you're bitching that gambling is unethical and using religion to somehow justify your losses.  If you spent more time reading, you wouldn't quote me, when within the paragraph you quoted, it tells you how chess can be used as an instrument of gambling since the outcomes aren't guaranteed.  I also suspect if you spent more time reading, you wouldn't be shocked that you put money in a computer assisted chess site.  You sure you want to keep fishing for replies troll?  

I do not speak anymore with a pathetic punk who continue to insult,and who does not answer at all my arguments.Go and shut yourself coward.

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#63

If we were face to face in the first second after your insults were ko.But you hide in virtual space chichen.

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verybadbishop
Jan 18, 2013
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#64

The only cowardice is using the religion angle when your own self-afflicted actions don't pay off in your gambling expeditions, hypocrite.

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#65

And stupido verybad..I am not hypocrite,I told here I was big stupid because I not red the rules.You are also forgetful,I think you are a weakchess player,because this.Ichallenge you not to insult us but to play chess with our brain on playchess or playok,where cannot use robots.Do you accept punk?Do you have guts?

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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verybadbishop wrote:

The only cowardice is using the religion angle when your own self-afflicted actions don't pay off in your gambling expeditions, hypocrite.

Hey stupid forgetful ,I use also mathematics ,see the coments,you atheist man.You know what said Einstein about Universe ,about God?

But first had to ask, you know who was Albert Einstein?

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verybadbishop
Jan 18, 2013
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#67

Hey read between the lines... Why are you gambling in a chess site anyway, when it's you going with Biblical references that say gambling is morally wrong?  Suddenly it's wrong because you didn't play by the same advantages of some site you joined... Really, you are a hypocrite, and a stupid one at that.  

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#68
dacster13 wrote:
adip2009 wrote:

No,carefully read all comments.I said when chess is professional job for  you,then can play for money with your brain,not with robot. And if you play poker for money with your brain is also  professional.But I don't judge you for this ,Somebody else,judge you.Not me I made this rule,but learned men of ancient times. Maybe because is gambling.:)

Gambling with an engine or your own brain is irrelevant. In the book you base your own ideals on and referenced, gambling in any way, shape, or form is still considered gambling and is immoral. Hence, you can only conclude that your own God punished you for your deed by taking away your money.

First of all ,God is not only mine,is ours,for your general culture.Second,from now on ,I will speak only with realy chess players,not with robo adepts .I challenge every man who are against me to play on a website like playok,the game 3 minutes each,or 2,(because not time for bots) and demonstrate his skills.

I wait an hero.

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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verybadbishop wrote:

Hey read between the lines... Why are you gambling in a chess site anyway, when it's you going with Biblical references that say gambling is morally wrong?  Suddenly it's wrong because you didn't play by the same advantages of some site you joined... Really, you are a hypocrite, and a stupid one at that.  

If you want to say I am hypocrite because I was wishing to  play for money on FICGS,and know I blaim it,I disagree with you and advise you to read all my comments .I said it's not wrong to play for money as long as you make a job of it, provided that game is not governed by chance .You can understand this or you are very stupid?

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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Sred wrote:
adip2009 wrote:
Sred wrote:
adip2009 wrote:

What is Centaur chess?

Centaur chess is what we are talking about: chess between humans who are supported by engines. It's also being played on playchess.com, btw.

For money ?????

Yes, I think you can play for money on playchess.com.

You can play for money BUT NOT USING COMPUTER.

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verybadbishop
Jan 18, 2013
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#71

You say it's wrong to play for money... unless it's an occupation?  By that logic being a thief is wrong unless it's an occupation.  LOL  you're funny.

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#72
Genghiskhant wrote:
adip2009 wrote:
Genghiskhant wrote:
adip2009 wrote:

When a human being play chess for money (prize) against another human being do you consider that is gambling ? I don't think so.Games of chance you meet in Casinos only,which are restricted in some countries or towns.

Kasparov or Anand play for money with software .I don't think so. 

I am not confusing anything. Ofcourse it is gambling. Two people placing any amount of money (say £100 for example) on any event are gambling. That could be on a coin toss, boxing match, chess, flipping beer mats, poker...literally anything. Betting money on the outcome of an event is gambling.

Ok .I see you make a huge confusion between game chances and games based on skills.I ask you something else.The Bible forbids games like footbal or chess ? No.Bible forbids games like poker,blackjack,etc.which for the most part are based on luck.The games FROM THE CASINOS,where everybody can gambling.

Poker is very much a game of skill. If it weren't, you wouldn't see the same faces in the finals of the world championships every year. Sure there is an element of luck, but that is true of most games. For the most part the top players are very skillfull though.

What you trying to say here? Chess is a game of luck like poker ? This is blasphemy.Or poker is a game based of skills like chess ? I ask you something. Kasparov is considered a genius,a man with maybe the highest IQ in the world.Tell me a poker player who has the half IQ like Kasparov.If you say Kasparov or Anand or any other master level chess player base on luck when he play ,you don;t know what you saying.Luck of what ? Of his mind,of how he wake up in the morning??? Tell me an example.

Poker has a lot a exemple of chance like how the card entering,etc.Do not compare poker with chess .Never.

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#73
verybadbishop wrote:

You say it's wrong to play for money... unless it's an occupation?  By that logic being a thief is wrong unless it's an occupation.  LOL  you're funny.

verystupid...,sorry,verybad...I say  this PLAYING FOR MONEY USING COMPUTER IS SCANDALOUS,PLAYING FOR MONEY USING YOUR BRAIN IS NOT.Of course is wrong to steal too. Is a crime.Crime,scandalous,you see the differece ?

But better you ask Anand.

How old are you ? Really.

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verybadbishop
Jan 18, 2013
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#74

You say it's wrong to play for money unless it's an occupation provided the game is not governed by chance?  Funny...

It is you who fails to read.  Math?  Go google the probability of winning based on Elo rating system.   There's your pot odds.  Betting on the strength of a computer is profitable if the amount you bet is favorable to the chance your computer wins, provided the rating itself is accurate.

I don't even think this is a feasible enterprise, because of the costs involved with staying above the competition from a technical and logistical standpoint, adding to the difference between the chess strength of the user himself.  There's your math.

A fool and his money is easily parted.  

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#75
Genghiskhant wrote:
Annabella1 wrote:

I think is a shame a website allows its member to use software to play chess.....I dont see the point ....Chess is a minds game and should be enjoyable. 

I'm sure there are lots of things that you or I don't find enjoyable that others do, and I agree that it is a pointless exercise, but I don't see why it's wrong or a shame to provide a platform for people who wish to do that to be able to.

There are computer vs computer world championships. Not interesting to me, but some people obviously really care about it. Why not let them have their website. Even to gamble if they want. They aren't harming anyone.

As long as it is made clear that engines are being used and that money is on the line then I don't see what damage they are doing. Apart from to the OPs feelings of course.

I am not saying is a crime.Look at my first coment. Just I saying those people are ill and lazy,with unsharpened mind,maybe retarded. Everyone must use soft only when  learn chess .What s the poit to put your computer to play against another computer ? If you want to earn money ,earn with your mind, that's progress, otherwise we will get in future robot slaves.

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adip2009
Jan 18, 2013
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#76
verybadbishop wrote:

You say it's wrong to play for money unless it's an occupation provided the game is not governed by chance?  Funny...

It is you who fails to read.  Math?  Go google the probability of winning based on Elo rating system.   There's your pot odds.  Betting on the strength of a computer is profitable if the amount you bet is favorable to the chance your computer wins, provided the rating itself is accurate.

I don't even think this is a feasible enterprise, because of the costs involved with staying above the competition from a technical and logistical standpoint, adding to the difference between the chess strength of the user himself.  There's your math.

A fool and his money is easily parted.  

if up to a point  we agree (that chess for money with the help of computer is horrible ), why are you telling me that I am idiot?

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NM zkman
Jan 18, 2013
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#77

I see you guys have quite the arguement going....

However, I would like to chime in regarding your misguided view of poker. Poker is not a game of chance. It is not Blackjack or any game guided solely by chance, there is a very large skill factor involved. Casino games are a games of luck and in the long run you always lose. However, similiar to chess, poker is a game of human error. You profit by capitalizing on your opponent's mistakes. Although there is obviously more luck than chess, there is a large difference between Poker and flipping a coin.

Also, how can you say that people who use computers to play other players that also use computers are "ill and lazy, with unsharpened mind, maybe retarded"........what?

Go find a match versus a Correspondence GM and I'm sure he will show you that this version of chess is not for the lazy and retarded.

However, I'm sure you would say that the lazy and maybe retarded play poker professionally as well...

 

I hope you can see my point view! :D

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NM zkman
Jan 18, 2013
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#78

I guess that would help, but again I think there is confusion. As pfren (IM) stated earlier an individual who has no chess knowledge who simply picks the computers first choice everytime will have little chance against a strong player with a similiar computer. There is skill involved! 

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NM zkman
Jan 18, 2013
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#79

Alright, I think we are talking about two different things.... no reason to get hostile.

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verybadbishop
Jan 18, 2013
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I'd have to disagree with poker being absent chance, even though it's largely a game of skill.  The skill in poker is utilizing chance to your advantage, on top of being able to utilize intuitive processes about the people on the table.  With poker, you have to look at bets as an investment with appropriate valuations for profitable play in a tournament format based on attrition.  Bluffing and reading people are part of it, but don't discount the chance aspect of poker either.

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